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MARC cars aren't that far off Supercar speed...and they are built for enduro racing.
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How to consistently put on entertaining races without resorting to things like convoluted fuel drops or "any excuse" safety cars.
I love Supercars to death but it's just so frustrating to see that some of the problems our series has don't exist in another. Remember the DJR XBOX car trying to climb through the field at Bathurst, only to be stuck behind backmarkers lapping more than 2 seconds a lap slower? Caruso at Queensland Raceway, just driving around behind Frosty for 20 laps, making just the one overtaking attempt, then falling off a cliff because that one single lunge destroyed his tyres? Townsville one year with Skaife working out you need to be at least 8 tenths a lap faster to overtake - on an equal footing, when do you ever see someone 8 tenths a lap faster? I don't know if it's in the technical or sporting regs, if it's the tyres or the cars or what, but without an endurance race, rain or an abnormally high wearing circuit (that one year at Winton?), the current Supercars doesn't seem to put drivers in the position to properly be able to battle freely. If a driver is 5 seconds behind the leader with 10 laps to go, we all know that the race is a good as done - but it doesn't have to be like that. |
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DTM clearly shows that Class One has the potential to be dull as dishwater, but there are three things that it lacks compared to SGT, that explain why the latter is so much more exciting: 1. Multi-class racing 2. Open Tire Competition 3. Lack of large multi-car teams. Now if we look at Supercars, #3 is already covered. #2 is hugely expensive and probably not sustainable (cf how even a theoretically open tire series like WEC has gravitated to an almost-monopoly for Michelin), so #1 is probably what Supercars should be looking at. |
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But made the cost of tyres significantly cheaper. so for the have nots it was a massive win
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Bridgestone did a better job than Yokohama and Dunlop and the teams and media, lead by WGR and Barry Sheene using his role as commentator as a convenient soap box, constantly complained about it. The issue was about access to tyres not the cost. |
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unrelated, interested in seeing how TA2 goes at bathurst and how it fits into this discussion
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I am not sure the paying public would object, but would the teams see it as too simple? |
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In my mind, its a bit slow and aimed, in its current format, at a different level of driver. However a higher spec level might be something worth considering
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Agreed
We had 5 tyre brands investing in V8 racing in the mid-90s, and we threw four of them away in the name of "parity" Different car brands are encouraged to participate against eachother in motor racing, it makes no sense tyre manufacturers (and various other 'control' items) are not allowed to compete against eachother these days. At least WRC saw the light and ditched control tyres. |
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Yokohama won the Championship in 1994, won Championship rounds in 1995 and in 1997, so they were still capable of building winning tyres. They did have a poor 1998 but they also had no leading teams running their tyres that year, and had no chance to fight back in 1999. |
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I don't see what good can come of opening the tyre rules up. It'll be just like the years gone by, when you had one or two teams who good the best compounds, etc, whilst the rest flying the flag for the brand, got the scraps.
The things that aren't yet controlled are still a blatant arms race between those that can afford it. |
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The good that comes from it is competition.
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Tyre competition adds an extra variable to the racing and also opens investment and sponsorship opportunities for teams and categories |
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