[VASC16R25] SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000: 6-9 Oct (WITH POLL) - Page 15

peckstar · 13 Oct 2016, 21:30 (Ref:3679841)

we have had redress at GC for many years, cut the chicane and you need to redress.

I cant see it being a significant issue if its done safely (which JW didnt do)

**GTRMagic** · 14 Oct 2016, 00:13 (Ref:3679870)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

Won't happen - teams must have the right to appeal, without it for example the sport would be at higher risk of legal action for not allowing an element of natural justice.

If there was no right of appeal, how would any team address a wrong they feel has been done against them?

It's a great, great shame that this is happening after Bathurst but the right to appeal is an intrinsic part of the sport at all levels worldwide.

World Championships have arguably been decided one way or another on appeals before now. It's just part of the deal.

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

I think he'd be referring to the rules relating to driving standards.

Yep.. it could be considered that the redressing process was a contributor to the accident between Mr Tander & everyone else on Sunday.

It has been an issue at other venues, and I cannot recall an accident happening as a result.

That ought to be enough of an issue to get the conversation started about it. A driver makes an error, he/she (see what I did there

) needs a penalty where they caused a professional foul.. whether it could be avoided or not.

Having said that, the Murphy/Lowndes thing of a few years ago now where Mr Murphy didn't actually touch the car ahead (Mr Lowndes lost it on his own) and was penalised needs to be considered too..

There should be enough channels of live telemetry popping backwards and forwards from the car to assure a decision made on facts..

Compromised · 14 Oct 2016, 01:09 (Ref:3679876)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

we have had redress at GC for many years, cut the chicane and you need to redress.

I cant see it being a significant issue if its done safely (which JW didnt do)

Yes very true. If done safely there is no real problem with the redress. If JW had done it on pit straight, Bathurst would have had a very different outcome I feel.

Jamie might have just ruined it for everyone.

peckstar · 14 Oct 2016, 02:25 (Ref:3679895)

interesting

Statement from Supercars Australia: Triple Eight's Bathurst appeal

The appeal will only concern the level penalty and not if there should have been a penalty

**GTRMagic** · 14 Oct 2016, 02:29 (Ref:3679897)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

interesting

Statement from Supercars Australia: Triple Eight's Bathurst appeal

The appeal will only concern the level penalty and not if there should have been a penalty

Changing the protest midstream is an interesting event.

Looks like Mr Davison& Mr Webb are now confirmed SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000 winners!!

Mixer · 14 Oct 2016, 02:29 (Ref:3679898)

A "groundswell" of feelings should never be the basis for any decision taken for anything like this.

Axeman444 · 14 Oct 2016, 02:53 (Ref:3679902)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Changing the protest midstream is an interesting event.

Looks like Mr Davison& Mr Webb are now confirmed SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000 winners!!

From Willy D's comments on Monday and Tuesday, after his conversations with RD, I think this has always been RD's intention. Believe standard penalty when a redress hasn't happened is 10 sec (ala Kelly/Pither), which is what RD was hoping the penalty is reduced to IMO.

peckstar · 14 Oct 2016, 03:00 (Ref:3679903)

Court ruling confirms Davison/Webb Bathurst win

bit more info in planning english

Its interesting that the penalty for taking your competition out of the race is less than for driving past a SC

**GTRMagic** · 14 Oct 2016, 03:41 (Ref:3679904)

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Originally Posted by Axeman444

From Willy D's comments on Monday and Tuesday, after his conversations with RD, I think this has always been RD's intention. Believe standard penalty when a redress hasn't happened is 10 sec (ala Kelly/Pither), which is what RD was hoping the penalty is reduced to IMO.

The VASC article suggested that 888 were looking to change the grounds of their protest. So maybe the thinking shifted...

**GTRMagic** · 14 Oct 2016, 03:48 (Ref:3679905)

Story Here

275 GTB-4 · 14 Oct 2016, 04:50 (Ref:3679909)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

A "groundswell" of feelings should never be the basis for any decision taken for anything like this.

Absolutely...as Joe Friday used to say "Just the Facts Ma'am!"

ford71 · 14 Oct 2016, 04:55 (Ref:3679910)

Looks another amateur moment from RBRA.
Lot of comments, articles and money for an increase of 36 pts, while Tander gets 0.
And how many points did Scotty lose?

Ugly way of dealing with championship points - is this what we are to expect at the end of each round now? People arguing on the Tuesday after the race about the severity of the calls?, because I can recall a lot more dodgier decisions than this supposed one being handed down and begrudgingly accepted. The recent Moffat one comes to mind, just because he's not in the running for a C'ship win shouldn't mean its any less important.

This team....

Mixer · 14 Oct 2016, 07:06 (Ref:3679923)

Tander's points have 2 fifths of **** all to do with RBRA.

Scotty Mac took out Tander.

**GTRMagic** · 14 Oct 2016, 07:36 (Ref:3679927)

Appeal Date Set

Who pays costs??

Tourer · 14 Oct 2016, 08:00 (Ref:3679929)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

A "groundswell" of feelings should never be the basis for any decision taken for anything like this.

Agree - and it wasn't in this case. It was a comment made by VASC and they were not the ones who made the decision.

peckstar · 14 Oct 2016, 08:01 (Ref:3679930)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Appeal Date Set

Who pays costs??

thats what the 10k appeal fee is for

some mumblings that that there is still scope for JW to win bathurst, it so unclear

**GTRMagic** · 14 Oct 2016, 08:50 (Ref:3679940)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

thats what the 10k appeal fee is for

some mumblings that that there is still scope for JW to win bathurst, it so unclear

The 10k is to deter frivolous protests..

"RBRA Appeal UnAustralian" - Warburton

one five five · 14 Oct 2016, 09:12 (Ref:3679943)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The 10k is to deter frivolous protests..

"RBRA Appeal UnAustralian" - Warburton

While in some ways he is right, it is a bad look this on-going saga, i'm not sure what to make of this

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Originally Posted by James Warburton

“Races are won on the racetrack,’’ Warburton said on Friday night.

“And we can’t set a precedent that encourages these appeals and protests. A Cinderella story would have been taken away (had the appeal been successful). For us this was about defending the integrity of our sport.’’

Surely it's in the interests of defending the integrity of the sport that appeals and protests are in place, so that the right decision can be come to when all the evidence is provided, should someone have an issue with ruling or technical issue.

Perhaps Mr Warburton is insinuating that Supercars adopt a NASCAR style approach that the result on the racetrack always stands, but in the background there can be fines, points deductions etc.. for things like technical infringments.

The integrity of the sport is in making sure the right and fair winner is found (and it may be Davison/Webb in this case), not on taking away a "Cinderella story"

Ospi · 14 Oct 2016, 10:35 (Ref:3679951)

Honestly, the sport needs this because it needs to be brought to light the ridiculous inconsistencies in the rulings and penalties and this might be what it takes for v8s to stop shrugging their shoulders and not giving a **** about how they run a weekend.

Umai Naa · 14 Oct 2016, 11:00 (Ref:3679959)

Maybe they'll lighten up on the argy-bargy a bit?

Tourer · 14 Oct 2016, 11:01 (Ref:3679961)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The 10k is to deter frivolous protests..

Partially - but it is also to cover the costs of the court. If an appeal is unsuccessful, none of the fee is returned, if the appeal is partially successful the court decides if any of the fee is going to be returned and if the appeal is successful, the court decides whether part or all of the appeal is returned, with a view to costs.

It's all in the judicial rules of the ops manual and is pretty standard FIA / CAMS procedure for appeals.

**FIRE** · 14 Oct 2016, 17:52 (Ref:3680050)

Finally managed to see the whole 161 laps.

First half of the race was the calm before the storm (except for some tech issues at several teams) but then it became a great race.

Happy to see Tekno winning. Glad Whincup didn't win. SVG magical in overtaking.

Compromised · 14 Oct 2016, 19:31 (Ref:3680075)

Is Warburton for real?

Seems like he is trying to play the fans against T8 with calls to national pride?

As others have said, sort your rules/penalties out, apply them fairly and employ competent people to do it.

I'd say punishing people unfairly is about as "unAustralian" as it gets.

**GTRMagic** · 14 Oct 2016, 20:57 (Ref:3680094)

CAMS Determination

mayhem · 14 Oct 2016, 21:07 (Ref:3680096)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Maybe they'll lighten up on the argy-bargy a bit?

NASCAR has the right idea: let the drivers sort it out on the track. This series would explode in popularity if they did IMO.

View Poll Results: Which Pairing Is Going To Win Bathurst?
#1 - Winterbottom/Canto - The Bottle O PRA Ford	4	7.55%
#2 - Tander/Luff - Shark Bite HRT Holden	1	1.89%
#3 - Heimgartner/A.Russell - Plus Fitness LDM Holden	0	0%
#4 - Davies/van der Drift - Ultra Air Erebus Holden	0	0%
#6 - Waters/Le Brocq - Monster Energy PRA Ford	0	0%
#7 - T.Kelly/Campbell - CarSales NisMoAu Nissan	0	0%
#8 - Bright/A.Jones - BOC BJR Holden	0	0%
#9 - Reynolds/Baird - Penrite Erebus Holden	1	1.89%
#12 - Coulthard/Youlden - Shell V-Power DJRTP Ford	4	7.55%
#14 - Slade/Walsh - Freightliner BJR Holden	1	1.89%
#15 - R.Kelly/Ingall - Sengled NisMoAu Nissan	0	0%
#17 - Pye/D'Alberto - Shell V-Power DJRTP Ford	1	1.89%
#18 - Holdsworth/Reindler - Preston Hire WP Holden	0	0%
#19 - Davison/Webb - Darrell Lea Tekno Holden	0	0%
#21 - Blanchard/M.Jones - Cooldrive Distribution BJR Holden	1	1.89%
#22 - Courtney/Perkins - Shark Bite HRT Holden	2	3.77%
#23 - Caruso/Fiore - Nissan NisMoAu Nissan	0	0%
#33 - McLaughlin/Wall - Wilson Security GRM Volvo	3	5.66%
#34 - Moffat/Golding - Wilson Security GRM Volvo	0	0%
#55 - Mostert/Owen - SuperCheap Auto PRA Ford	3	5.66%
#88 - Whincup/Dumbrell - Red Bull 888 Holden	8	15.09%
#96 - Wood/D.Russell - GB Galvanising NisMoAu Nissan	0	0%
#97 - van Gisbergen/Premat - Red Bull 888 Holden	15	28.30%
#111 - Pither/Stanaway - IceBreak PRA Ford	0	0%
#222 - Percat/McConville - Clipsal 500 LDM Holden	0	0%
#888 - Lowndes/Richards - Caltex Vortex 888 Holden	8	15.09%
#360 - De Silvestro/Gracie - Harvey Norman NisMoAu Nissan	1	1.89%
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