USCC (leave your axe outside)

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://www.racer.com/wecs-af-corse-w...rticle/312880/

AF Corse looking to run their Ferraris at a few USCC events like Daytona, Sebring or PLM

NAEC rounds likely.(?)






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[TheMightyM]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

This, to me, looks like a clear indication that new rules will not be introduced for competition until 2017.

Which is not a bad thing. What else is due in 2017? New P1 rules. So essentially USCC is keeping the doors open for reintroducing P1 then.

[David Land]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://www.racer.com/wecs-af-corse-w...rticle/312880/

AF Corse looking to run their Ferraris at a few USCC events like Daytona, Sebring or PLM

Interesting that Indy is one of the events that is drawing teams like AF Course in...

Where are all of those people poo-pooing running at Indy now?

[Salamus]

Originally Posted by David Land

Interesting that Indy is one of the events that is drawing teams like AF Course in...

Where are all of those people poo-pooing running at Indy now?

Maybe because it is part of the NAEC.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Salamus

Maybe because it is part of the NAEC.

No it isn't. It's a standard length race. Petit and Sebring rightly took its place.

And just because AF Corse wants to race at Indy, that doesn't mean the track isn't crappy.

[David Land]

Originally Posted by BullMan

No it isn't. It's a standard length race. Petit and Sebring rightly took its place.

And just because AF Corse wants to race at Indy, that doesn't mean the track isn't crappy.

No doubt the track sucks, but its a big venue and will attract European teams and drivers who want a race at Indy on their resumes.

Hopefully the Hulmans will use the 100 million they were just loaned and make the road course better.

[Salamus]

Originally Posted by BullMan

No it isn't. It's a standard length race. Petit and Sebring rightly took its place.

My mistake, I thought the NAEC was 5 rounds, not 4.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Salamus

Maybe because it is part of the NAEC.

Indy was 3hrs this year for GA, I would think it will be a 2:45 on the USCC calendar. Which is not an endurance round (NAEC). Those will be Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen and Petit.








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[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

So ... if you don't like USCC's top class in 2014, take a long vacation.

One year too long.. oh well, whatever. This WEC is a cracking race isn't it?

[deggis]

Originally Posted by TheMightyM

Which is not a bad thing. What else is due in 2017? New P1 rules. So essentially USCC is keeping the doors open for reintroducing P1 then.

New P1 regs? Where has this been mentioned?

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by deggis

New P1 regs? Where has this been mentioned?

P1 regs recently seem to have gone in 3-year cycles, so theoretically the next overhaul might be in 2017.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

P1 regs recently seem to have gone in 3-year cycles, so theoretically the next overhaul might be in 2017.

Two cycles doesn't make it a definitive rule yet... and 2014 regs are the biggest change for a long time, so you'd think they are here for a longer time to give some stability.

Cars speeds should be easy to regulate with changes to the fuel flows and energy allocations, which seemed like the biggest reason for the somewhat unnececssary 2011 changes.

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by deggis

But 2014 regs are the biggest change for a long time, so you'd think they are here for a longer time to give some stability.

Cars speeds should be easy to regulate with changes to the fuel flows and energy allocations, which seemed like the biggest reason for the somewhat unnececssary 2011 changes.

Maybe at the end of the 3-year cycle they'll use data from Garage 56 projects to officially introduce (and try to properly balance) other technologies to LMP1? (unless all projects are Nissan of course )

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Maybe at the end of the 3-year cycle they'll use data from Garage 56 projects to officially introduce (and try to properly balance) other technologies to LMP1? (unless all projects are Nissan of course )

2017 feels too soon for all EV race cars (to be able to race really competitively) and also that might not necessarily need completely new regs.

Then again we know how well things went when they last time added completely new tech to the regs (diesel)

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://www.racer.com/wecs-af-corse-w...rticle/312880/

AF Corse looking to run their Ferraris at a few USCC events like Daytona, Sebring or PLM

[HORNDAWG]

Good to see that the 991 will be available for customers by Sebring. Would have been better had it been before Daytona, but...

http://sportscar365.com/wec/porsche-...-cars-in-2014/









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[chernaudi]

Poster on John Dagys' Twitter suggests that the FIA/ACO have rejected many of the proposals to slow down LMP2 machinery (aero changes, air restrictor changes, steel brake rotors). Someone wanting to stir the pot, or a possible confirmation of what IMSA/TUSCC brass has said all along: that ACO classes will see minimal changes?

BTW: Sportscar365 is currently down--I get a 403 error every time I try and check in on any link here. Better let John know...

[Dyson Mazda]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Poster on John Dagys' Twitter suggests that the FIA/ACO have rejected many of the proposals to slow down LMP2 machinery (aero changes, air restrictor changes, steel brake rotors). Someone wanting to stir the pot, or a possible confirmation of what IMSA/TUSCC brass has said all along: that ACO classes will see minimal changes?

BTW: Sportscar365 is currently down--I get a 403 error every time I try and check in on any link here. Better let John know...

From a competition standpoint your cannot really do it. The P2's are barely ahead of the PC's (and in a lot of cases are not) which are barely ahead of the GTE's.

[jasonjessica09]

Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

From a competition standpoint your cannot really do it. The P2's are barely ahead of the PC's (and in a lot of cases are not) which are barely ahead of the GTE's.

Am I the only one who does not mind seeing the GTLM cars closer to the overall leader lap times? Despite what I hear I still think that LMP2 cars will be a 2/3 seconds slower at Sebring next year (down to 1 min 54's from 51's) than this for BoP reason. LMPC could be in the 55's whereas GTLM qualifying times will go down to 1 min 57's. DP's probably in the 55's too. My prediction anyways.

[pach233]

Any word on what the SC procedures will be in the series next year? Believe it or not, the Rolex style wave around + pit stop on cautions absolutely kill the endurance aspect for me. There's enough yellows at Daytona that you can come from 7 laps down to be on the lead lap through no real merit of your own as MSR did this year.It might lead to closer finishes but it renders the first 22 hours! almost pointless.

[Maelochs]

I think most sports car fans hope the Rolex-style free stop/free lap will be dropped for the more normal free lap Or free stop rule.

I agree, having a car competing for the win at the end having gained seven laps without ever once having passed the leader is beyond bogus.

[chernaudi]

Thing is that IMSA has said that they've wanted to deviate as little as possible from ACO/FIA regs so that IMSA teams can run LM if they have--what on paper at least--is ACO spec equipment.

If it's true that the ACO and FIA have rejected a lot of the proposed rules to slow down LMP2s, that shows that they at least feel that the DP teams either have to modify their cars, or buy LM/WEC spec machinery.

Of course, why do that when Spirit of Daytona has shown that it's quite possibly fairly inexpensive to bump a DP up to at least near LMP2 performance levels?

[jasonjessica09]

The Ford DP is rather...disapointing. It still looks like a geneic Riley. Although if somebody has a pic of the tail lights in the back I would love to see it.

I figured this might happen when from the beginning it was said that the car would have general Ford sytling cues rather than be made off a specific brand.

Last time I checked Ford DOES NOT have any specific sytling cues that you can find on all models. The grill and headlights on the Ford DP screams "Ford" to you?

The DP Gen 3 concept has so much potential. And I'm glad that there are a lot of Corvettes out there which look great. But that generic Riley has got serious room for improvement and the Ford just did not quite go far enough to get away from that I think. I hope that BMW will step up and come up with their own look because they power enough cars to have a vested interest to do that.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

The Ford DP is rather...disapointing. It still looks like a geneic Riley. Although if somebody has a pic of the tail lights in the back I would love to see it.

I figured this might happen when from the beginning it was said that the car would have general Ford sytling cues rather than be made off a specific brand.

Last time I checked Ford DOES NOT have any specific sytling cues that you can find on all models. The grill and headlights on the Ford DP screams "Ford" to you?

The DP Gen 3 concept has so much potential. And I'm glad that there are a lot of Corvettes out there which look great. But that generic Riley has got serious room for improvement and the Ford just did not quite go far enough to get away from that I think. I hope that BMW will step up and come up with their own look because they power enough cars to have a vested interest to do that.

They could have added the ripped off Aston Martin grille they're putting on cars now.

[Breitling24]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

The Ford DP is rather...disapointing. It still looks like a geneic Riley. Although if somebody has a pic of the tail lights in the back I would love to see it.

I figured this might happen when from the beginning it was said that the car would have general Ford sytling cues rather than be made off a specific brand.

Last time I checked Ford DOES NOT have any specific sytling cues that you can find on all models. The grill and headlights on the Ford DP screams "Ford" to you?

The DP Gen 3 concept has so much potential. And I'm glad that there are a lot of Corvettes out there which look great. But that generic Riley has got serious room for improvement and the Ford just did not quite go far enough to get away from that I think. I hope that BMW will step up and come up with their own look because they power enough cars to have a vested interest to do that.

Hey, it says "Ford Ecoboost" on the side panel, isn't that enough?