IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017 - Page 16

Dyson Mazda · 16 May 2015, 13:26 (Ref:3538037)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Pays to read ALL of an article...seems DPs may indeed hang around quite a bit longer yet, Chev/Ford/etc will be quite happy.

I think that the only manufacturer left in DP next year, for its final season, will be Chevy. I think Ford and Ganassi are going the GTLM route (perhaps the WEC route as well). I think the Dinan BMW and the HPD DP motor are dead in the water as well.

Dyson Mazda · 16 May 2015, 13:30 (Ref:3538038)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Well, from 2017 it would be a P2... and with the new rules, likely what it means is a Bentley sponsored car, or a Bentley skin over something else... But nothing really Bentley about it. The proposed rules are to have just four chassis manufacturers for P2, with likely the ability to "brand" them with different bodywork in TUSC. ACO rules call for a single engine for all P2, though it is probably going to be different in TUSC.

I do not really understand this argument. A Bentley IMSA P2 would have a Bentley motor and some form of Bentley body work on it. This is the exact same thing that Aston Martin did to their Lola P1 and HPD did with their P2 cars early on. Actually to take it a step further, what does the new Nissan P1 have to do with a Nissan other than the company writing the checks? The same is true with Audi, Porsche, and Toyota.

wdave0 · 16 May 2015, 13:41 (Ref:3538041)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

I do not really understand this argument. A Bentley IMSA P2 would have a Bentley motor and some form of Bentley body work on it. This is the exact same thing that Aston Martin did to their Lola P1 and HPD did with their P2 cars early on. Actually to take it a step further, what does the new Nissan P1 have to do with a Nissan other than the company writing the checks? The same is true with Audi, Porsche, and Toyota.

Careful reading of the article leads me to conclude that Bently want to build a DP chassis of their own and put their own V8 into it and race TUSCC only with it. This suggests that they have inside knowledge that DP will continue long enough past 2017 for reasonable ROI and for all fans to finally give up on NASCAR vision sportscar racing.

Dyson Mazda · 16 May 2015, 13:46 (Ref:3538043)

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Originally Posted by wdave0

Careful reading of the article leads me to conclude that Bently want to build a DP chassis of their own and put their own V8 into it and race TUSCC only with it. This suggests that they have inside knowledge that DP will continue long enough past 2017 for reasonable ROI and for all fans to finally give up on NASCAR vision sportscar racing.

Fair enough. I have a hard time seeing a manufacturer like Bentley preferring a steel low-downforce chassis to carbon modern prototype. That article was all over the map though.

This:

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“It’s our philosophy at Bentley Motors to race where we can win overall,” Durheimer told Sportscar365 in an exclusive interview Saturday at the Nürburgring.

Really did not go with this at all

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While it’s understood Bentley is pursuing IMSA homologation for the Continental GT3 to be eligible in the GT Le Mans class next year

MoMedic9019 · 16 May 2015, 13:46 (Ref:3538044)

Ift this is the way it does go. If DP does stick around... I don't know how this turns into anything but GA.

At the risk of being flamed...

Dagys isn't exactly known for telling the whole story. Might be a ton of stuff taken out of context here

Dyson Mazda · 16 May 2015, 13:49 (Ref:3538046)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Ift this is the way it does go. If DP does stick around... I don't know how this turns into anything but GA.

At the risk of being flamed...

Dagys isn't exactly known for telling the whole story. Might be a ton of stuff taken out of context here

The one thing I will say about the series management is I hope they realize at this point in time 2 things:

1. The DP's are not very popular and allow zero international attraction into the top class

2. They cannot continue to try to performance balance two totally different formulas

MagVanisher · 16 May 2015, 14:27 (Ref:3538062)

Well at least Chevrolet will have a rival like Bentley, but it's not like the company is vying for overall wins like Audi for example.

On the other hand, IMSA didn't discussed about the engine placement for their new 2017 Prototype class, right?

MitchZ06 · 16 May 2015, 14:36 (Ref:3538066)

For possible clarity...

Bentley DP - Factory Program
Conti GTLM - Customer Program

Corvette does both classes, just the other way round....

Lagunaseca_4life · 16 May 2015, 14:48 (Ref:3538068)

“It’s not decided yet on what will come in Daytona. My personal reading of the subject is that Daytona Prototypes will not die out. They will exist alongside the P2 class."

Not that I hate DPs,the new chevy is a cool looking mean sounding car,but it's time to move on! I hope he's reading into it wrong,but I wouldn't doubt if it's mr.taylor fighting to keep the DP around.

:/

Dyson Mazda · 16 May 2015, 15:27 (Ref:3538084)

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Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

“It’s not decided yet on what will come in Daytona. My personal reading of the subject is that Daytona Prototypes will not die out. They will exist alongside the P2 class."

Not that I hate DPs,the new chevy is a cool looking mean sounding car,but it's time to move on! I hope he's reading into it wrong,but I wouldn't doubt if it's mr.taylor fighting to keep the DP around.

:/

Yeah I think the only team that is probably upset about not having a DP future is Action Express. I do think that Mr. Taylor does want to bring his team back to Le Mans and wants a prototype class that allows him to do that.

MitchZ06 · 16 May 2015, 15:56 (Ref:3538098)

So Bentley does indeed want DPs (N24 broadcast).

MoMedic9019 · 16 May 2015, 15:57 (Ref:3538099)

Head of Bentley motorsports was just on with Hindy on the N24 broadcast.

He says there is no intent by the organizers to drop the DP, and there is a desire to re-open the chassis constructors.

Has NASCAR just been outed as complete liars? Oh boy. This is gonna get interesting.

Matt · 16 May 2015, 16:04 (Ref:3538103)

A Bentley styled and powered DP would look and be awesome.

Damian Baldi · 16 May 2015, 16:06 (Ref:3538104)

United States need start building first class carbon fiber chassis, or will end buying russian and chinese in the future.

What happened with Galmer, Swift, Truesport, Riley, Eagle and Penske ???

Looks like north american teams are in a comfortable situation of no progress.

MitchZ06 · 16 May 2015, 16:07 (Ref:3538105)

In terms of the Conti GT3 'fitting' GTE regs the engine fits the current turbo engine regs (4L max displacement, 8 cylinders max) so it's a fair way there already and likely not as much of a waiverwagen as the Bimmers have been....

FLGTFAN · 16 May 2015, 16:14 (Ref:3538110)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Has NASCAR just been outed as complete liars? Oh boy. This is gonna get interesting.

I think the DP boys are balking at a P2 future, and IMSA has almost no P2 teams left. So, bring on more DP!

YZFrider · 16 May 2015, 16:21 (Ref:3538113)

N24 broadcast also echoing the fears of a shrunken field for GTLM for next year. The rumored Ford and now this Bentley potential entry would be welcome for the class if true

Lagunaseca_4life · 16 May 2015, 16:22 (Ref:3538114)

I'm just trying to imagine what a bently dp would look like,the corvette body works and fits the dp profile dang near perfect,but I can't imagine what a bently body would look like if they used continental styling cues......

I gues Dp would be ok if they implemented carbon tub safety cells,but other wise. I've been trying to be pro Imsa from the beginning with ups and downs,but 2017 was supposed to be the big up we were all looking forward to.kinda dissapointing.

At this point Bentley is the only one we are hearing this from,and to me bentley is just another aston Martin.a lot of talk and little to no action,never any real stake in Us sports car racing.

MitchZ06 · 16 May 2015, 16:23 (Ref:3538115)

Future P2 being so limited in chassis and a single engine supplier have effectively opened the door for DPs to hang around as a viable option for manufacturers to build and race their own cars, albeit limited to the US. Business wise it's quite smart by IMSA.

MoMedic9019 · 16 May 2015, 16:24 (Ref:3538116)

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Originally Posted by FLGTFAN

I think the DP boys are balking at a P2 future, and IMSA has almost no P2 teams left. So, bring on more DP!

Entirely plausible. I bet Shank is gonna be ****ed

Lagunaseca_4life · 16 May 2015, 16:28 (Ref:3538118)

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Originally Posted by FLGTFAN

I think the DP boys are balking at a P2 future, and IMSA has almost no P2 teams left. So, bring on more DP!

Ironically,shank the team I thought would fight off p2 the most is now in one of the best p2s money can buy....literally....

MitchZ06 · 16 May 2015, 16:29 (Ref:3538119)

Bentley's actually raced in more races they say they're going to than Aston Martin has so you may want to adjust your thinking...

MagVanisher · 16 May 2015, 16:29 (Ref:3538120)

Honestly, I think IMSA should reconsider overhauling their prototype plans for 2017.

In addition to mandating carbon-fiber chassis construction, the tub should be made in a variety of sizes: From the narrow P1-style chassis to the DTM/Super GT two-seater prototype tub.

As for Shank though, he can defect to WEC if he has the money! After all, he bought the Ligier which is the best P2 car currently in the running!

MoMedic9019 · 16 May 2015, 16:35 (Ref:3538121)

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Originally Posted by MagVanisher

Honestly, I think IMSA should reconsider overhauling their prototype plans for 2017.

I'm betting they already have.....

Dyson Mazda · 16 May 2015, 16:37 (Ref:3538122)

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Originally Posted by FLGTFAN

I think the DP boys are balking at a P2 future, and IMSA has almost no P2 teams left. So, bring on more DP!

There are 5 DP's this year, 3 P2's, and a Delta Thing for the full season.

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