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The current engine rules run to 2020 with the new ones due to start in 2021.
I suspect if Mercedes helping Honda out might have something to do with building long term alliances with the future regs. Mercedes might want to have the next power units something similar to what is there at the moment. Of the manufacturers involved now I suspect Honda would have most to gain from a major regulation change. |
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That Autosport article is all over the place and seems a bit of an echo chamber of rumors that have been floating around. Nothing definitive.
I still doubt the entire "Mercedes" part, but I suspect that there may be some nugget of truth to this entire topic. Enough that all sides may claim "they were right". I expect what is going on is that Honda is open to outside ideas and actively seeking help. But IMHO, it's likely that it may come from various independent consultants (i.e. Mario Illien, etc.) or industry players (i.e. Mahle, Bosch, etc.) and not other manufactures. I don't want to rehash much of the arguments from above. In general I think it would be a huge mess with respect to protecting "secret sauce" on both sides. IMHO, Honda comes out the looser in this long term if they partner up with someone like Mercedes. We will just have to wait and see what happens. Richard |
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20 million to supply 2014/15 technology. Why wouldn't Merc do it???
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Be cheaper than anything else they have done...
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They've already got hope from the Bahrain test, hopefully the reliability update will help them further
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So, is it confirmed now that McLaren get Mercedes engines and Sauber get Honda ones?
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McLaren aren't switching to Mercedes (yet). However, Mercedes is helping Honda with technical assistance to improve parts of their PU. The PU consists of six elements. Not just the engine. Their has been no 'official statement' from either party that this is in fact taking place. And I doubt there ever will be. Just as there was no 'official statements' when Mercedes helped Renault and Ferrari with their PU's. But for most, if an 'official statement' has not been released, then it didn't happen. Not everything that happens in the F1 paddock is put on paper. Most things still work on a hand shake. A 'contract' or an 'agreement', means diddly squat in F1. They can be made and broken with a simple nod of the head, or a handshake. No signed papers required. |
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There was no 'official statement'.
We'll have to wait for Charlie Whiting's book 'My life in F1. The inside stories.' We might find out then. But their hasn't been an 'official statement' from Charlie that he's writing a book. |
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So, F1 seems to be the place where a strong denial can be a confirmation.
However, in this case I believe what both Mercedes and McLaren have said after EJ apparently said a deal had been done for Mercedes power for McLaren in 2018. Both sides said it was false. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...-claim-899851/ Regarding talk of Honda getting some type of break from F1, that is not happening. And the related rumor about technical assistance from Mercedes, Honda has said that is not true. Right now, IMHO the vaste majority of what is being said about McLaren/Honda is pure speculation. If you dig, you can find some good information directly from Hasegawa at Honda. Richard |
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