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[geezzz... even the petrol sacred caw BMW has seen the light... 1.5 L 3 cylinder turbo diesel for the M3 hybrid GOING PRODUCTION http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-vision-eff...rts-car/16865/ ] Last edited by hcl123; 20 Nov 2010 at 00:13. |
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Then a transition petrol LMP1...
OTOH i believe Capelo statement is only pure misinformation (bluff). |
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.. and also he seems to confirm that 2011 Audi will not be a hybrid (meaning NO electric motorization - and not excluding energy recuperation and electric drive of engine auxiliaries)... "Audi is not interested" (??)... is too peremptory for my taste, specially when its clear that hybrid is the future, and a clear marketing trump (but can make sense, +10l fuel tank is better than the electric motorization potential of 2011 rules). Last edited by hcl123; 20 Nov 2010 at 01:18. |
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@hcl123: Please stick to the topic of this thread: the R18 which Audi will race in 2011. Capello is referring to the future LMP rules (see here for ACO meeting minutes on that subject). With the proposed minimum weight of 775 kg, a small turbocharged petrol engine is the way to go, because a diesel engine will be too heavy.
Moreover, other Audi people have said that Audi is more interested in lighter cars instead of a hybrid drivetrain. However, if the rules require a hybrid drivetrain in order to be successful, they will surely use it. |
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No minimum weight change for this set of rules because the ACO feels that would one factor too many to equalise; at least that was the news in July. It would help if there was an official rulebook out to rely on...
The info we have is that Audi might go for a coupe because they feel open tops no longer give quicker pitstops, that they don't seem interested in hybrids because they don't sell one and that some claim a diesel V6 is coming whilst others claim it's a turbo 4. And there's the front tire size speculation too. In the end, we won't know for sure until Audi tells us and everything on top of that is speculation: your OPINION is as good as anyone else's so don't be pushy. Thanks. |
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BTW yesterday the Volkswagen group announced that they will invest heavily in the development of hybrid and electric cars.
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I just found this photoshop of R15+ with a roof:
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SO... the future that is purposed is a "communistic" view of everybody on a small petrol engine with close to motorcycle weight vehicle... AND IT WILL BE IMPOSED... it must be arbitrary, otherwise it will not stick... because even BMW seems to demonstrate(for civil use) that diesel is neither too heavy or too underpowered with small volume displacements(1.5L for a M3 !?). (c'mon?... even Audi stated that its V12 aluminum diesel was only 20Kg heavier than an equivalent petrol one - had they opted for petrol) So why not Audi go with the schizophrenic spree and opt for a petrol for 2011 !? ... only if Pug weren't for sure on diesel, because then the sole contender on diesel would have a great theoretical advantage( but nothing that rules can't twist-- in 2007 ALMS the R10(995Kg) run with 200Kg(75kg penalty) more and with much smaller restrictors than the Penske Porsche(775Kg) which had a reduction/benefit from the original 850Kg, yet Audi won most of the races - so in 2008 ALMS diesel got even smaller restrictores and Porsche larger ones. My point is this rule twisting on middle of seasons, is what must make a good deal of thinking about constructing a car around a diesel engine... lets get clear: - ITS NOT WANTED, no matter if superclearly superior(isn't it schizophrenic ?)... and of course Audi is not immune.. neither is Capelo a foul. ACO ruining the sport ?... way to go ACO! Last edited by hcl123; 20 Nov 2010 at 15:45. |
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Whatever, I like it...
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The thread had been pruned. Lets stick to the topic, we are getting tired of the complaints about people ruining threads by trotting out the same all boring stuff. There are separate threads for the rules, but it is selfish to make every thread topic the same subject. This is isn't censorship, but the tiresome off topic posts are. |
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I think that Dindo may've dropped some pretty big hints for speculation in his interview. I don't think that Audi is ready to use KERS as they don't have a production hybird car yet (though the Q5 hybrid is nearly ready for production, and the Audi E-tron vehicles are definitnely very close to what a future production variant will be like).
Considering that Audi and Peugeot have apparantley pushed for the smaller engines for 2011, they feel that they can reap an advatange still with the diesel engines. Remember, the ACO says that LMP1 and LMP2 cars will have a minimum weight of 900kgs next year, as Peugeot have stated in their 90X PR. So Audi and Peugeot may still go with diesel engines because any gain in the weight of the engines will be canceled out by the ballast that they'd have to carry, though the ballast can be used to adjust weight distribution. Of course, we haven't heard any 100% set in stone regs from the ACO, but obviously Audi and Peugeot know the basics as the 90X has been seemingly a reality for a while and that the R18 has possibly started testing recently for all we know--no spy shots of the R18 exist, so either it hasn't been testing for long enough for someone to figure out where it's been tested, or Audi have done all if any recent testing at a privately owned VAG test track. Dindo's comments might be fairly close to the truth, but can also be a smoke screen--he is an Audi factory driver, after all. However, December will come soon and we'll know more about the R18 then when Audi unveils it, unless some spy shots surface and Audi has to pull a Peugeot with the 90X. |
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Is there a hybrid Q7, which is a big Toureg/Cayanne? No, aside from a concept car that Audi made in 2006. Audi themselves have no KERS or hybrid equiped road car right now--the Q5 Hybrid that Fouritude recently test drove at Inglostadt as a test mule, and though close to production, is still a while off. Right now, the all-electric E-tron cars excluded (and even those are pre-production prototypes), only the Q5, the A4(from which the Q5 is based) and the A8 may soon get a KERS system, and Dindo said in that interveiw that KERS won't at first at least be standard equipment on the R18, though that can be a smokescreen...
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Judging by Audi's Etron concept cars, Audi definitely seems more interested in a pure electric which the initial 2014 proposals seem to allow for. Dindo was most likely referring to 2014 and on when he mentioned Audi trying something new. He was not talking about 2011 which is what we should be talking about. Whether the R18 will be diesel or petrol remains to be seen and are the only realistic options for 2011. Hybrid and turbos are other variables. But let's please stop talking about hydrogen, LPG or whatever else until about this time 2013 and onward.
Recap of things to discuss. 2011 R18. Open or coupe? Diesel or Petrol? And any other hybrid turbo variables. |
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The only realisitic add-on that Audi will have on the R18 may be KERS, but that probably won't happen until maybe 2012. In 2011, as Dindo may be suggesting, the car will be a V8 or V6 (he didn't say which) diesel. Audi may use a KERS equiped R18 as a marketing tool, but that seems to be dependant on Q5 and A8 hybrid sales next year, especially in North America if Audi AG and AoA can get funding sorted for an ALMS program, especially if the Q5 and the A8 are sold as diesel hybrids in NA, but that's not overly likely--in 2011, you can get a diesel engine or a hybrid on the Q5 and the A8 possibly (Audi wants to expand their diesel range in NA next year), but probably not a diesel hybrid yet.
If the hybrid A8 and Q5 are successful, look for the R18 to run KERS in 2012 and to test it next year, but I doubt that Audi will run KERS for 2011. |
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According to http://www.lemanslive.com/24h-mans/2...jours/?lang=en the launch of the R18 is planned for December 10 and Audi has already started track testing its new car.
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