WEC Porsche GTP / Hypercar: factory and customer - Page 172

Deleted · 31 May 2014, 16:54 (Ref:3413222)

Well it passed the scrutineering didn't it...

But I don't think this ends up being the only controversy this year, what with the EoT penalty system possibly coming into force in the race...

chernaudi · 31 May 2014, 17:00 (Ref:3413230)

But then again, how much stuff seems to make it pass the officials, seemingly with approval, that would seem to run against their own rules?

Either there's a rules loophole or the ACO are enforcing their rules as they see fit. Take your pick there...

deggis · 31 May 2014, 17:03 (Ref:3413235)

Could happen just like in F1 so often, first deemed legal but pressure from other teams then forces it to be banned later. So passing scrutineering means nothing other than it being ok for now

chernaudi · 31 May 2014, 17:06 (Ref:3413237)

And Toyota ran a similar rear deck at LM that flexed, but the ACO pressured them to not run it the rest of 2013 and it was later banned due to the current flexible bodywork restrictions.

Ironically, it was Toyota again with the rear wing at Spa that began rumors of someone trying to exploit a loophole within that rule.

Deleted · 31 May 2014, 17:07 (Ref:3413239)

Yeah I guess the chance for it getting banned when single make is in question is higher than if all of them were running questionably (case example)

Hopefully it all gets sorted out before race week so that we don't get post-race complaints and then it's carried over to FIA Motorsport Countil complaint meeting happening in October or some crap

MyNameIsNigel · 31 May 2014, 17:07 (Ref:3413240)

The solution adopted by Porsche is in clear violation of the rules, especially Article 3.4 which explicitly prohibits bodywork elements/parts that would be movable at speed. I honestly cannot see how they could argue to be complying with the rules.

If the ACO-FIA do not react, you can bet that a formal complaint will be lodged by the competition.

deggis · 31 May 2014, 17:09 (Ref:3413241)

And just couple of days earlier: http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...-aerodynamics/

Bandicoot17 · 31 May 2014, 17:12 (Ref:3413243)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

If the ACO-FIA do not react, you can bet that a formal complaint will be lodged by the competition.

Not necessarily.

I'm sure that the other teams are doing things that are outside of the rules too.
I also highly doubt Porsche would just have done something illegal without having some way to argue that it is legal.

Deleted · 31 May 2014, 17:18 (Ref:3413245)

Too bad for Porsche it's not the 991 that is being questioned, that one would've already received waiver from the ACO...

MyNameIsNigel · 31 May 2014, 17:22 (Ref:3413251)

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Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

Not necessarily.

I'm sure that the other teams are doing things that are outside of the rules too.
I also highly doubt Porsche would just have done something illegal without having some way to argue that it is legal.

In the present instance, Porsche's solution is in flagrant breach of the regulations IMHO. It is not a matter of interpretation, in contrast to e.g. Toyota's interpretation of the rules pertaining to wheel arch extensions back in 2012-2013.

As for the competition, they are obviously playing with the rules as much as possible, but I do hope that they are cleverer than this.

Articus · 31 May 2014, 17:48 (Ref:3413264)

Seeing that this is such a blatant foul of the rules. Is it possible this is merely a diversion? So what are they really hiding. Maybe nothing at all but let the games begin....

nobster · 31 May 2014, 18:03 (Ref:3413275)

Always nice to see a bit of controversy between the top cars...

Articus · 31 May 2014, 19:58 (Ref:3413332)

Is the Porsche running Brake-By-Wire?

Bandicoot17 · 31 May 2014, 20:58 (Ref:3413367)

The 'Gills' aren't on this aero package.

gustavobamba · 31 May 2014, 23:29 (Ref:3413398)

My prediction for tomorrow:

Fastest time Porsche 919 - 3m 24s

Top Speed - 338 km/h

TF110 · 1 Jun 2014, 01:25 (Ref:3413427)

They should be faster than that. Especially with the slimmer cars, should be 340kmh+ imo.

JoestForEver · 1 Jun 2014, 06:41 (Ref:3413472)

The lap times in Silverstone and Spa has showed that 2014-spec car cannot match the pace of 2013-spec. With a lack of maximum ICE power(which decides top speed-power side), I'd predict it to be 3.27-30, and a top speed of 330+.

Articus · 1 Jun 2014, 06:59 (Ref:3413481)

That correct. The timing from Spa says the cars are not the same. What's strange to me is that the Toyota's ran the same top speed this year and the last at Spa in the low drag.

However I am lead to believe that the cars will actually be quicker because the cars have more power. I would argue the top speed is more limited by how much energy you can store before one of the straights. The Toyota's hit 335km/h down the straights in 2012 with a much less powerful hybrid system. If the 1000hp is close to being true, The Toyota's will easily demolish 340km/h. So will the Porsche's. The Porsche still maintains the ERS-H advantage.

While the Toyota can recover 6MJ over the length of the lap finally. The Porsche can recover it earlier. Releasing more of the energy along the Mulsannes probably. Presumably the Toyota can run a energy store lap and then Run a lap with the same potential as the Porsche but as for in race hybrid strategy. Porsche has the advantage over everyone.

Toyota has been caught off-guard by the Porsche strategy. I've counted several instances where Toyota people (drivers, Vasselons) have basically downplayed all parts of the Porsche other than the powertrain. Vasselon said the Toyota has a better chassis and braking. Buemi said the aero wasn't sophisticated. Just imagine where the Porsche will be when they get all that sorted then...

deggis · 1 Jun 2014, 07:25 (Ref:3413502)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoestForEver

The lap times in Silverstone and Spa has showed that 2014-spec car cannot match the pace of 2013-spec. With a lack of maximum ICE power(which decides top speed-power side), I'd predict it to be 3.27-30, and a top speed of 330+.

And we have already 3.27 by the Toyota.

gustavobamba · 1 Jun 2014, 07:35 (Ref:3413505)

Quote:

Originally Posted by deggis

And we have already 3.27 by the Toyota.

top speed pleeeeaaasssse!!!!!!

TheNo1F1Fan · 1 Jun 2014, 07:45 (Ref:3413510)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

top speed pleeeeaaasssse!!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

They should be faster than that. Especially with the slimmer cars, should be 340kmh+ imo.

Top speed is around 330 km/h.

gustavobamba · 1 Jun 2014, 07:54 (Ref:3413518)

3:26 NAKAJIMA :-)

with a slower 3rd sector, 3:25 is near :-)

TF110 · 1 Jun 2014, 07:58 (Ref:3413521)

Where can you find live timing with sector times?

Articus · 1 Jun 2014, 08:02 (Ref:3413524)

LOLOL. Audi's fastest in the speed traps!!

gustavobamba · 1 Jun 2014, 08:13 (Ref:3413531)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

Where can you find live timing with sector times?

Listen in Radio Le Mans

i don´t find live timing anywhere

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