2017 Dunlop Super2 Series

[Damien_White]

Originally Posted by sizzle

Sorry, paid employee, professional (sic) racing series using own starter, not good enough.

Can't stand the heat don't enter the kitchen.

Thanks Sizzle. You may note, I've since left the kitchen; damn it was hot in there! I'm curious though, and in keeping with your analogy, how close have you been to the flame produced by this type of stove? Unless you've been the chef, or at least a sous-chef, I'd encourage the readers to liken your critique to that of a My Kitchen Rules contestant. That is, accept that it's served with a cup of bitterness, a spoonful of spite and a pinch of I coulda, woulda, shoulda - DIDN'T!

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by Damien_White

Thanks Sizzle. You may note, I've since left the kitchen; damn it was hot in there! I'm curious though, and in keeping with your analogy, how close have you been to the flame produced by this type of stove? Unless you've been the chef, or at least a sous-chef, I'd encourage the readers to liken your critique to that of a My Kitchen Rules contestant. That is, accept that it's served with a cup of bitterness, a spoonful of spite and a pinch of I coulda, woulda, shoulda - DIDN'T!

I am not employed in the motorsport field although I have a small race team of sorts.
However my employment can and does have peoples lives in my hands when I do work so the kitchen can be a little on the hot side.
I cock up, it may be the coroner who talks to me not an irate bunch of drivers or spectators.

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by Damien_White

Thanks Sizzle. You may note, I've since left the kitchen; damn it was hot in there! I'm curious though, and in keeping with your analogy, how close have you been to the flame produced by this type of stove? Unless you've been the chef, or at least a sous-chef, I'd encourage the readers to liken your critique to that of a My Kitchen Rules contestant. That is, accept that it's served with a cup of bitterness, a spoonful of spite and a pinch of I coulda, woulda, shoulda - DIDN'T!

Ignore the hater Damien. Humans make errors and these things happen, especially when technology is involved which makes things a lot more difficult. People from the stone age think its as easy as waving a flag and then its started, when its not and a car that may not be running or sounding bad or anything else could be that little thing that can distract you and then errors occur. People need to stop being armchair criticisers and try it themselves, and the older people who think its easy need to have a go at doing it themselves. Nothing against old people but some use the whole its easy to start a race excuse from when they raced. I have only seen the races since I was about 3-4 so have been watching for 13-14 years and I don't ever recall seeing a flag being waved. There may have been and I was too young to remember

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by mceci1

Ignore the hater Damien. Humans make errors and these things happen, especially when technology is involved which makes things a lot more difficult. People from the stone age think its as easy as waving a flag and then its started, when its not and a car that may not be running or sounding bad or anything else could be that little thing that can distract you and then errors occur. People need to stop being armchair criticisers and try it themselves, and the older people who think its easy need to have a go at doing it themselves. Nothing against old people but some use the whole its easy to start a race excuse from when they raced. I have only seen the races since I was about 3-4 so have been watching for 13-14 years and I don't ever recall seeing a flag being waved. There may have been and I was too young to remember

No hate whatsoever. As a paid employee in a professional organisation the idea is you don't cock up. Something you may learn later in life.

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by sizzle

No hate whatsoever. As a paid employee in a professional organisation the idea is you don't cock up. Something you may learn later in life.

I will learn that but you put yourself in a scenario with 26 odd V8 Supercars screaming and one was off it would catch you out. Listening to the revs at the Gold Coast event last year was incredible and I can see how a start error could occur

[Compromised]

So can't we let chahda off for his start straight kamikaze last year? Everyone makes mistakes you know, he potentially lost a SC drive because of it. Don't you know how loud it is? Bet Matt's haters haven't driven DVS before

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by Compromised

So can't we let chahda off for his start straight kamikaze last year? Everyone makes mistakes you know, he potentially lost a SC drive because of it. Don't you know how loud it is? Bet Matt's haters haven't driven DVS before

Exactly every driver makes mistakes he owed up to it and the other drivers have forgiven him for it so why can't the fans? He showed at Clipsal his true abilities he had a great weekend

[mtpanorama]

Originally Posted by LD2244

Exactly every driver makes mistakes he owed up to it and the other drivers have forgiven him for it so why can't the fans? He showed at Clipsal his true abilities he had a great weekend

Chahdas problem is that he isn't a one hit wonder. He has had a few issues prior to the Sandown crash.

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by mtpanorama

Chahdas problem is that he isn't a one hit wonder. He has had a few issues prior to the Sandown crash.

Agreed but I think at Clipsal he proved he's matured a lot since those discretions the 12th in race 1 was a very strong effort. Also in Matt's defence a lot of drivers were making some borderline ridiculous moves that weekend as well such as Jack LB (This isn't bashing Jack he's a very talented driver) when he knocked Todd off the track for the lead on the final lap and then ran Taz Douglas off the road later in the weekend both of which went unpenalised as I can remember. I thought it was unfair that he copped virtually all the blame that weekend when a lot of drivers had their fair share of accidents as well. I think that was the predominant reason Rullo got dispensation and he didn't was his track record so he's payed big time for those mistakes no doubt and has seemingly learnt a lot from it. He's a good down to earth kid and I predict he'll be around the LDM garages come enduro time.

[Icarus_nz]

Originally Posted by LD2244

(re Chada...)12th in race 1 was a very strong effort.

I predict he'll be around the LDM garages come enduro time.

You username does suggest an element of bias...
When did 12th place ever become considered a strong effort?

By all means, blame the car or whatever but no-one forced him to do this deal.
He has the same opportunity to perform as everyone else but didn't.

As for Rullo, I suspect your are right; he will be on the grid come the enduro's but not because he is special in any way.

It seems to work for Supercars to have a young driver so as to attract attention to the sport.

All this nonsense about 'valuable laps' and 'learning experience' is utter rubbish.
He has been fast-tracked to the big game and now the lack of preparation and experience is apparent.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

When did 12th place ever become considered a strong effort?

If Simona gets a 12th place watch for the press releases claiming what a strong effort she had!

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

As for Rullo, I suspect your are right; he will be on the grid come the enduro's but not because he is special in any way.

It seems to work for Supercars to have a young driver so as to attract attention to the sport.

All this nonsense about 'valuable laps' and 'learning experience' is utter rubbish.
He has been fast-tracked to the big game and now the lack of preparation and experience is apparent.

Sounds like you're not part of the Rullo fan club?

Who cares if he's been fast-tracked, the experience will come with more laps, and he did a great job at Adelaide.

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

You username does suggest an element of bias...
When did 12th place ever become considered a strong effort?

By all means, blame the car or whatever but no-one forced him to do this deal.
He has the same opportunity to perform as everyone else but didn't.

As for Rullo, I suspect your are right; he will be on the grid come the enduro's but not because he is special in any way.

It seems to work for Supercars to have a young driver so as to attract attention to the sport.

All this nonsense about 'valuable laps' and 'learning experience' is utter rubbish.
He has been fast-tracked to the big game and now the lack of preparation and experience is apparent.

Don't understand what you mean by my username but I'm classifying 12th as a strong effort for him based off the fact that last year he struggled to reach that middle part of the field and he showed a lot more maturity in that race he didn't go for any unnecessarily aggressive moves he just put his head down and pushed on and got the result. Your also correct with referance to Rullo his age it does make him a highly marketable drive

[RedZedMikey]

Originally Posted by LD2244

Don't understand what you mean by my username

Really? You post a lot about Chahda and Rullo, both connected to a team run by LD ... so LD2244 could easily be construed to have a certain bias.

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by RedZedMikey

Really? You post a lot about Chahda and Rullo, both connected to a team run by LD ... so LD2244 could easily be construed to have a certain bias.

Understand what you mean RedZedMikey but LD is just random typing for my username it in no way affiliates to LDM

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by one five five

If Simona gets a 12th place watch for the press releases claiming what a strong effort she had!

True - but then she's competing in the Main Game and Chahda (who the mention of 12th was about) is competing in the D2 Series. Big difference in capability between those 2 series.

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by LD2244

Exactly every driver makes mistakes he owed up to it and the other drivers have forgiven him for it so why can't the fans? He showed at Clipsal his true abilities he had a great weekend

Mr Le Brocq on the other hand has no balls to admit the errors he made at Sandown

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by Tourer

True - but then she's competing in the Main Game and Chahda (who the mention of 12th was about) is competing in the D2 Series. Big difference in capability between those 2 series.

I had this conversation with someone a few weeks back, unless someone is constantly in the top 3-5 then they aren't really ready for the main game and be competitive. The quality last year in the Dunlop series was bad and the last time a challenge was there was in the Mostert, Pye, McLaughlin, Percat days, look who won in 2013, and his talent says enough in the series

[one five five]

Originally Posted by mceci1

then they aren't really ready for the main game and be competitive.

What exactly does "ready for the main game" mean?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

What exactly does "ready for the main game" mean?

well technically that means they have gained enough points under the licencing rules.

but i dont think that is the definition meant by the poster

once upon a time it meant you had enough money and could qualify within the cut off

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by one five five

What exactly does "ready for the main game" mean?

Full time V8 Supercars

[GTRMagic]

3rd MWM Nissan Confirmed

[mayhem]

I really like the potential of Bryce Fullwood, so good on Matthew White for putting him in some newer gear, I'd like to think his improvement plane will continue on it's upward trajectory.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

3rd MWM Nissan Confirmed

If MWM improve only marginally on their form from Adelaide might it become a little embarrassing for the boys located in the southeast of Melbourne?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by chavez

If MWM improve only marginally on their form from Adelaide might it become a little embarrassing for the boys located in the southeast of Melbourne?

In Super2 spec, compared to VASC spec (tyres, suspension the noticeable differences), the Altima is ~1.5s off the best speed of the main game at Adelaide..

That said.. Mr Le Brocq may be the 3rd or 4th quickest Nissan when he debuts in the single driver main game wildcard...

[chavez]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

In Super2 spec, compared to VASC spec (tyres, suspension the noticeable differences), the Altima is ~1.5s off the best speed of the main game at Adelaide..

That said.. Mr Le Brocq may be the 3rd or 4th quickest Nissan when he debuts in the single driver main game wildcard...

More along the lines if they start winning in Super2 and the best Kelly Racing can do is run at the back of the Top Ten.