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7 Jul 2019, 17:28 (Ref:3916340) | #426 | |
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I think nothing is going to make it work. Nice try though
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You have to give them credit for giving it a go, but there has to come a point were you say enough is enough. Maybe a more logical move for next year would be move to the BritCar championship and become a sub class in that.
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Running a subclass also doesn't work particularly well - whichever is the 'main' series will always dominate people's attention. As a few examples, no-one really remembers that Classic Thunder includes the old ModProd championship; 750MC Sports-Specials includes Westfields; and the 750 Trophy includes the Austin 7 Challenge. As such, and I'm a bit disappointed to have to say, but TCR UK has been a worthwhile experiment, but unless things dramatically increase by the end of the year (i.e. grids in the high teens), it is time to go. |
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7 Jul 2019, 21:04 (Ref:3916400) | #429 | |
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its literally the exact opposite of a worthwhile experiment!
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8 Jul 2019, 07:10 (Ref:3916457) | #430 | |
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I think it's been worthwhile. With other TCR series around the world I guarantee people would have been asking over and over why we don't have one in the UK. Next season when we most likely won't there is now something to refer those people to.
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8 Jul 2019, 07:16 (Ref:3916458) | #431 | ||
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It has been a very worthwhile experiment even if it proves nothing other than there is no need for the series, at least the experiment was done, people took part, some people enjoyed it but ultimately it hasnt proved successful. There are concrete results to answer the question if the series (or any series to rival BTCC) would work now, rather than just speculation and opinion on forums like this. Previously we would never have known if the BTCC B-Tec project for instance would have been worthwhile, but now we do. Not everything has to be succesful to have been worthwhile, and there is a learn to be made from almost everything. The TCR-UK model (both as intended and as part of the Stewart Lines Trophy) will be used as a case study for any other startups who want to enter that same space in the British motorsport sector to asses what has not worked out, what has, and if they really want to bother. There may still be some tweeks that could be made to make the series viable such as supporting another series rather than being the headline act, changing the calendar (reducing to 1 race per event to cut costs and potentially boost entry), widen entry criteria to make entry more accessible. Whilst I agree that this has so far been a really confusing series, with such a limited audience and doesnt seem to work, you should remember BTCC was on its knees in 2003/2004 so if Stewart keeps with it and gets the right people involved, maybe this will gain traction but at the moment I am struggling to see it being here in 2020 Last edited by btccbloke; 8 Jul 2019 at 07:27. |
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8 Jul 2019, 07:27 (Ref:3916459) | #432 | |
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Anyway who won, I havent seen anything in the press
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I completely understand people's concerns regarding grid numbers - there's no doubt that a 30 car grid creates a better spectacle than a 7 car grid, particularly when watching trackside. However, the racing really hasn't been bad at all, particularly at Donington Park a few weeks ago, and there is the old saying that it only takes 2 cars to make a motor race, which I think does apply to TCR UK/TCT.
As a case in point, let's refer back to a couple of BTCC races from 2018 that went down as instant classics. Snetterton Race 1 (Sutton vs Goff) and Brands Hatch GP race 3 (Sutton vs Cook). What made both of these races so enjoyable was an intensely close battle between just 2 cars. When watching on TV at home, the fact that there were 28 other cars on track was irrelevant, as all eyes were on the top 2. Now I'm not saying that any TCR UK race this year has been as exciting as those two examples, that's not the point I'm making. The point is that as long as there is a decent race going on, I for one don't really care how many cars are in it. TV cameras can only focus on one thing at once after all, so it's only really the trackside spectators that will ever notice the true size of the grid. With 4 races to go this year, there are just 2 points separating the top 2 in the championship, and the title will be decided at Donington Park, the circuit that seems to produce some of the best racing in this series. So how about we just sit back and enjoy the racing, since whinging about low grid numbers is sort of old news now anyway..... |
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I mean, last time out someone won in a TCR car that we found out after they crossed the line didnt qualify as a TCR car so we aren't clear what class they won, or why, or if they even won or what points they got as a guest, even the TCR website was saying they won the TCR class when other sources said they didnt qualify. It is bad enough to see results declared and sorted out in the stewards room rather than on track, but when we are finding results changed and declared on forums and articles a few days later because they havent sorted out what people are racing in/for its difficult to sit back and enjoy something that hasnt really been organised properly 7 cars, 8 at the most - it shouldnt be so confusing! |
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Problem with only two cars battling and a grid of single figures is that the spectators at the track have long boring gaps before the cars come round again. I was at a multi-class race at Snetterton recently with 27 cars and there were battles everywhere spread out around the whole track. That race got way more attention than the Fiesta races with 6 or so cars.
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8 Jul 2019, 12:09 (Ref:3916500) | #437 | ||
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if you read the pages here, i certainly dont think it was that common knowledge outside of the hundred or so people at the track, and to be honest when ive gone to events its not always clear in multi class events anyway. I cant imagine a BTCC event for instance where there is confusion into the week if the winner was an independent or works entry. |
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The issue as mentioned was Coates as the story ahead of Donington on the TCR UK website read 'DAT Racing is delighted to confirm its entry for the Donington round of the TCR UK championship' when the car wasn't then in TCR UK. Fast forward to Croft and the preview says that Lewis Kent is seeking his first win when strictly speaking he took his first TCR UK win at Donington in finishing second behind Coates who wasn't in the series but in TcT. When there are drivers swapping at the last minute (Turkington and Woods suddenly into TCR cars for example) and others dipping in and out for a round, it makes it hard for people to follow what is going on. I mean there have been six TCR UK races this season and not a single driver has competed in every one (in the TCR UK class) for whatever reason, which is hardly a great advert. |
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And I really don't see how it's all that confusing that people change their class - they were in one class, now they're in another, it's simple really! Drivers coming and going is very common in most championships, particularly at club level. Whilst it would be incredibly rare in something like the BTCC, it's not un-common at all for a championship front runner to enter a few rounds of a club level championship, then disappear for most of the rest of the rest of the season. With many teams/drivers still reluctant to commit to TCR UK, it's no surprise that many are choosing to sample it for a round or two, before deciding whether to commit to a full season in the future |
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Were you at Donington? what did the race program say?? if as you imply everyone trackside knows whats going on i would love to know more |
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It clearly says TCT in the class column. You're arguing over nothing.
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even if all 7 cars at croft were all tcr cars the point is still the same. the series is hopelessly tiny in both quantity and quality and getting worse by each event
just look at the huge gaps in the race finish times from the just 5 cars that finished https://www.touringcartimes.com/2019...-race-1-croft/ its pathetic. so shoot the poor dying animal and put us all out of its misery Last edited by touring fan01; 8 Jul 2019 at 16:01. |
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8 Jul 2019, 20:54 (Ref:3916586) | #447 | |
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So what exactly is the points situation? The draft regs on the TCT website are from prior to the TCR merger. The published regs on the BRSCC website have the entire pints section removed. TCR website makes no mention of regs.
TCR website has a points table for TCR class cars only, although doesn't show the points allocation system. TCT website did have a championship table after the first round, although I can't find it now - that only showed non-TCR cars and using a different scoring system to what was on the TCR website. Can anyone give a definitive answer to how ones are scored? |
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highest placed per race or overall? we have seen TCT cars beat TCR cars so where is the sense in that? wikipedia seems to have tables for each but no idea how accurate they are Last edited by btccbloke; 8 Jul 2019 at 22:26. |
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