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*shrug* I think it's just the videostream incremented the entire time broadcasting, i.e. they streamed for 34+ hours over the weekend. Those specific links were right after the checkered flag.
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18 Jun 2014, 16:12 (Ref:3423481) | #4481 | |
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Hmm, well the linked video was only 4 hours long when i opened it. Will try those others when i get home.
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The two segments are near the end. One close to the end and the other about 34 (+/-) minutes earlier. Richard |
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18 Jun 2014, 18:11 (Ref:3423514) | #4483 | ||
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Yeah, for me the video starts at the 30hr mark and ends at 34ish. Both links Richard posted take me to the very beginning of the video.
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19 Jun 2014, 07:55 (Ref:3423671) | #4484 | ||
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Last night I sat pondering over the very steep hill that Porsche will have to climb in 2015. Audi will not again suffer from two turbo failures. One can bet his/her bottom dollar that the turbos in the Audi next year will be able to withstand a small nuclear explosion detonated only feet away. It will remain unscathed; along with the cockroaches.
Toyota will have its wiring sorted out and will slow to a reasonable pace at the very hint of rain. Both Audi and Toyota will mesmerize with their speed. The Audi's will chug along at an ungodly pace resembling a Panza division in full strike mode. Toyota will again have a "secret weapon" and will blister along the track in all of its flexing glory. Porsche indeed have a mountain to climb. |
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19 Jun 2014, 09:30 (Ref:3423699) | #4485 | |
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I think that they have the speed, they proved it on numerous occasions. They were just so worried about reliability that they tuned their cars on the lover pace. God knows how many turbos or other bits of engine would die if they hadn't done that. If they can make their "complex" drive train more reliable, speed will come from it's own.
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19 Jun 2014, 11:11 (Ref:3423740) | #4486 | ||
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Porsche have already won a WEC race which shows the speed is there (compare/contrast to 2012 WEC, not many people expected Toyota to do much but they sure bloodied Audi's nose). Reliability and refinement will be enough for Porsche to be a contender again next year. This is only their first year back at Le Mans, and as Audi have shown there is no substitute for experience.
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19 Jun 2014, 12:33 (Ref:3423778) | #4489 | |
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It is a steep hill; Toyota has a few seasons' immediate experience and Audi has pretty much owned Le Mans since 2000. Porsche can do it, no doubt. It won't be easy, no doubt.
Is Porsche less committed or less capable? No way. But Porsche apparently has built a car which is difficult to drive, which might be the biggest issue. Meanwhile, Audi and Toyota will be developing their cars too. This year to looks like Porsche only wins if Toyota and Audi lose---it doens't look like the car can beat the competition. And next year the competition will be better---meaning Porsche has to out-develop and out-refine the other two. Yeah, it's doable and yeah, that's a tall order. No paranoia, just analysis. |
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I am envisioning Spyderman in a bar somewhere totally drunk shouting "Porsche! Why have your forsaken me!"
That may or may not win Le Mans next year. If they don't win, I expect them to be much improved and a force to recon with. I enjoy the battle, wins are just icing on the cake. So either way I am happy. Richard |
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19 Jun 2014, 15:13 (Ref:3423836) | #4492 | ||
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Ha my dear chap! Whilst contemplating, I was as sober as a judge. I will admit however, that at times , I was almost driven to drink.
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The #20 was difficult to drive at Le Mans only because they broke the rear anti-roll bar and the drivers were being told not to use the brakes. It's not down to a car with poor driveability when it's healthy. Did Jani look like he was struggling to drive the thing at Spa? No. Silverstone was their first race. For a brand new car to be racing the Toyota for the win is pretty damn spectacular. And to be leading with 3 hours to go is pretty damn spectacular for the first year car. and the #14 Porsche was still lapping very quickly near the end of the race. Both Hartley and Webber we're expecting to do 3:20's in qualy.. That's as fast as anyone. I just really need everyone to stop saying this car doesn't have the pace...and painting this like doom and gloom. |
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Ok points noted. I still just don't think that things are as bad as they look. Maybe it took Toyota 3 years and counting but did Toyota have half the budget Porsche has had? Porsche erected an entire facility at Weissach...Porsche has the most recent Le Mans experience maybe not directly LMP1 related but with regards to P2 and GTE. Even the slightest bit if knowledge from those Programs is more than Toyota ever had.
And for the record no cars ran 3:20's but don't think for a second that the Toyota and the Porsche couldn't whether you saw it or not. Low fuel, soft tires. Davidson, Nakajima, Jani, Hartley. Done deal. Last edited by Articus; 19 Jun 2014 at 16:51. |
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19 Jun 2014, 16:48 (Ref:3423876) | #4496 | |
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I want to emphasize that both Mr. Spyderman and I are Porsche fans (though really I am a fan of most teams...glad to have racing to watch) and both think Porsche can, and hope Porsche will, do exceedingly well in every race from CotA forward.
Both of us, having watched the Porsches in their first three races, feel that the car is not quite as refined as the Toyotas or Audis. I will also point out that Audi had apparent handling issues at Silverstone, possibly related to the back end reacting oddly due to the regenerative braking ... I cannot be sure, but that's my take on it. I could be wrong about that, and maybe the Porsches are the quickest cars on the grid ... though I haven't seen it yet. But ... maybe I overlooked it. I (nor Mr. Wall-Crawler (and yes, I realize your profile pic is a Porsche Spyder---you know by now I am not well )) are trying to disparage Porsche, nor are we in any way biased against Porsche. We just all have slightly different takes on the three races so far. Everything will start over fresh at CotA, where Porsche should have new bodywork and more development. However fast or slow it was compared to the competition in the past will mean nothing. Of course Audi and Toyota will ... wait, we covered all that. |
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Agreed the car is not refined but I think the raw pace is there. Enough to do damage in qualy atleast. Fritz Enzinger said himself that Porsche was going to have a run at Pole.
I think Porsche could win soon and they could do it before Toyota. This was Toyota's easy year. Now if they ever want to win it's gotta be a dogfight. I don't think they will ever have quite the pace advantage they have had this year. Audi was put on notice this year. Porsche are already working on a 919 Evo probably. It was the same with the RS Spyder. The 2005-06 car was troublesome but quick. Last edited by Articus; 19 Jun 2014 at 17:02. |
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19 Jun 2014, 17:12 (Ref:3423886) | #4498 | |
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The car does not have high DF package for a reason. They need to find efficient power, which will be challenging with this engine.
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19 Jun 2014, 17:21 (Ref:3423890) | #4499 | ||
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This is something I have thought about in my musings. A new V6 2.5L turbo engine might solve some issues, but I doubt we will see this in the next car.
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a bigger engine is possible, something like 2.2 or 2.4 but for sure will be again in the same V4 configuration
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