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Well, precisely that. I would hope that someone actually there and with more knowledge and contacts would bring more insight than just relying on times. Or am I assuming too much. Time will tell, and not long to go.
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Raikkonen summed up well by admitting Ferrari could have gone faster had they wanted to.... and suggesting others were the same
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Well let’s hope more teams are up there this season, would be help the sport no end
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Absolutely. I would welcome a tight fight for the 4th and 5th WCC as it would give us more fun than watching F/RB trying to dethrone MB and fail for the fifth straight time. FIA has missed the boat on that one long time ago. Periods of single recipe domination like MB in this case shouldn't be allowed for this long, they need to find the mechanism to act faster in the future to shake up the field.
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Anyway, following preseason testing, I think it is quite safe to ink Mr Hamilton in as 2018 WDC!
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They seem to have no problem with changing the tyre rules to stop Ferrari or the aero rules to stop Red Bull but they don't seem interested in doing anything to stop Mercedes . Perhaps because other teams have the same engine but they don't have over 1,000 staff and a half-billion budget to go with it.
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But the rules were changed to try and stop Mercedes dominance when the new aero rules were introduced for 2017, was it not?? It was a primary motive behind the rule change.
It was hoped the Red Bulls would benefit from the change to the aero, but RB's car turned out to be not as good as hoped. Ferrari benefitted from the rule change for sure. And looks like Red Bull may have a stronger aero package this year. |
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If they'd simply make the rules less technical and allow teams to build cars to fit the regs with whatever engine (of a certain volume) they wanted, there'd be no need to legislate against success. Admittedly there have always been technical disqualifications (the Lotus 88 comes to mind), driven by other interests and these will no doubt continue. But to make power units so technical and expensive that only the big manufacturers can build and supply them automatically puts those manufacturers in the driving seat. Then they legislate against them because oops, they have an advantage. It's a joke. |
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Williams and Force India on similar budgets and the same engine should have given us closer battles in 4th and 5th but each year Williams stops development mid season, reallocates resources to next years car, and essentially gives up trying to fight. financial realities being what they are this makes sense but imo its still wrong they make more money then FI does by effectively tanking their season and its wrong that some teams can effectively be more successful by losing then they can be by winning. if winning truly mattered, Williams would push development to seasons end and pick better drivers and Ferrari would have parted ways with Kimi a couple of seasons ago...but they have no incentive to do so. imo unless the financial underpinnings are corrected, ad hoc rule change aimed at upsetting the order will only serve to maintain the status quo. sure maybe Merc will be knocked off its current perch but then another big budget team will just slot in to dominate the new formula and in a few years people will be saying the FIA/FOM should react faster, change more rules, end the domination etc. which in turn will just reward the 'special' teams as they take turns on the top of the ladder. anyways feel like i have read this story a few times now. |
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anyways, dont want this to go off topic so here is something i saw on reddit today. its a series of graphs covering info that they put together from the winter tests sessions. looks like a lot of work went into this. https://i.redd.it/ypuspqusefl01.png all credit to the original poster, original link here: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/co...esting_in_one/ |
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I see your point and agree it will never happen. We are, to coin a phrase, "too pregnant". Having got here the only way is further down.
As you suggest too many jobs rely on this farce and nobody is going to put people on the streets. But this is what happens when you legislate against competition. |
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How many good series have manufacturers ruined by coming in and absolutely dominating? CanAm, Champcar, Touring Cars ... Lack of action through being "too pregnant" seems to be the highest risk approach, the inevitable collapse caused by pursuing the current path will lead to far more unemployment when the series collapses. |
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That said when did this idea that F1 was "monotonous" gain credence? The racing is fast, reliable, interesting technically and gradually getting even better. If you follow the sport for as long as I have we have had periods of domination. We have seen once mighty names disappear. It will, or should keep happening unless we allow the teams to legislate themselves a dictator like lifetime power structure. No team is indispensable. Fairer distribution of money, rules that encourage development rather than stifle or channel it up blind alleys, and an even broader manufacturer involvement might not increase the number of passes per race, but would certainly broaden the fan base. The FIA, Liberty and the teams should all have a vested interest in ensuring this happens with the renegotiation of the Concord and the setting of the technical rules post 2021. |
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True, there have been other periods of domination. Before Mercedes it was quite recently Red Bull and Vettel, though two of those Vettel WDCs went down to the wire in 2010 and 2012, with Alonso the runner up on both occasions. Since Mercedes have dominated, no other team/driver combination has come close. Prior to Mercedes and Red Bull, the last time a team totally dominated like that was Ferrari with Schumacher. I actually stopped watching F1 during that period because it became monotonous and I think it's becoming so again and I don't think I'm the only one. Otherwise in the past, teams/drivers have dominated for about two seasons in a row but nothing like we have seen recently. I still find it technically interesting, especially as the rules are so rigid it leaves little room for innovation and teams have to find solutions to produce a faster car. Therefore I too would also like to see development encouraged rather than stifled. F1 is more reliable but I do miss the attritional aspect. |
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