Delta's Tea-Break Natter (The Lighter Side) 2011

[zefarelly]

Al, my first pay packet was £62, £15 to mum for rent and £15 I spent on food ( she made me buy and cook my own!) I would have spent all the rest on my scooter and playing pool down the pub!

[Cliff Ryan]

Originally Posted by Nick JM

Nope...but there is a lawyer!

Nice try but unless you have some "lifestyle expenses" (I wonder what that could be) you can shove through the company you will be paying CT on the corporate profit and then income tax on the divvy

Unless you speak to a good accountant

[Al Weyman]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

Al, my first pay packet was £62, £15 to mum for rent and £15 I spent on food ( she made me buy and cook my own!) I would have spent all the rest on my scooter and playing pool down the pub!

Thats good Zef and you are no doubt a better man for it its my generation and probably yours that have and will spoil the kids. I always thought the pole tax was a good idea shame the tories didnt have the bottle to see it through, just why should a single fellow living at home with parents maybe earning a monkey a week not have to pay a penny towards council tax when some old widow who doesnt want to sell her family home and lives alone will have to pay thousands a year.

[Nick JM]

Originally Posted by Cliff Ryan

Unless you speak to a good accountant

Are there any on here?

[Al Weyman]

Originally Posted by delta

We have loads of kids here from Motor Racing University's, College's and Schools. Yep they are all useless but if you don't give them a chance then they will never learn.Over the years we have had three that have gone on to work in F1. That's nice..

I dont mind giving them a chance but I dont want to pay best part of £200 a week by the time I have done their tax and insurance and given them minimum wage for the privilage. This is what is wrong at the moment I have actually had people ask me to work for nothing but its illegal i have to pay the minimum wage its madness.

[Peter Mallett]

Actually its none of the things you talk about. It goes back to 1949 and the original Human Rights Convention. That then became the European Court of Human Rights and that became part of Englich (UK) law.

Up until 1972 we had a coinstitution that required the citizen to think for him/her self. It was called the negative rights. Because nobody told you what rights you had just that you should obey the law and consider others.

The Human rights Convention changed that. It made the state responsible for the individual's wellbeing. There are good reasons for this. But the upshot is that nobody has the instinctive will to consider others or indeed work for a living because they have a right to freedom and to employment.

Barmy. Gordon Brown and his cronies had to implement the HRA 1998 because Europe said so (as it did for other Member States). That has screwed the pooch and hopefully this government will have the gonads to tone it down. But we'll never be rid of it sadly.

[Al Weyman]

Well according to a massive poll in one of the papers this morning a hell of a lot of people want out of europe.

[midgetman]

Al, Zef, ah, I remember those days. We used to work 27 hour days down t'pit and coom 'ome and our Dad used to thrash us to sleep wi' 'is belt. 'appy days....tell kids today that and they woon't believe you.....

[Peter Mallett]

@Al,

Because they don't understand the consequences. But I tend to agree and I do understand.

Here's an example of what I mean re the HRA. I think its Article 5 of the Convention that says a person cannot be discrimiated against for his gender, sexual orientaion, religius beliefs, colour etc...

Now to any civilised person that would be of no consequence because gender, gay/straight whatever is a personal thing and it would be a matter of pride to a civilised person not to discriminate. But no, the Human Rights Act actually makes it illegal not to positively discriminate for these people. Thus you get the gays telling you they have "gay rights". Well in fact they don't, they have human rights but the labour luvvies went too far.

[Alan Raine]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

This is what is wrong at the moment I have actually had people ask me to work for nothing but its illegal i have to pay the minimum wage its madness.

Interesting. Both my daughters are/have taken Architecture degrees. They have to have a year out in practice before they can start the next part, but there's sod all in the way of available jobs. Some students do work for nothing just to get through it. My youngest comes from Leeds to Altrincham every thursday night and works for free every friday, just to the get the experience (as well as to do her washing, get free food etc)

[delta]

Originally Posted by Alan Raine

Interesting. Both my daughters are/have taken Architecture degrees. They have to have a year out in practice before they can start the next part, but there's sod all in the way of available jobs. Some students do work for nothing just to get through it. My youngest comes from Leeds to Altrincham every thursday night and works for free every friday, just to the get the experience (as well as to do her washing, get free food etc)

Flipping heck Al. Your going to be quids in when they do start working.

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

I dont mind giving them a chance but I dont want to pay best part of £200 a week by the time I have done their tax and insurance and given them minimum wage for the privilage. This is what is wrong at the moment I have actually had people ask me to work for nothing but its illegal i have to pay the minimum wage its madness.

Shirley if it's work experience they're on then they don't get paid do they.

[Alan Raine]

Originally Posted by delta

Flipping heck Al. Your going to be quids in when they do start working.

I wish. Bloody hard course and rubbish money at the end of it. Somehow I think I'm going to be working for a long time

[Cliff Ryan]

Originally Posted by Nick JM

Are there any on here?

[compte deGraves]

Originally Posted by Alan Raine

Interesting. Both my daughters are/have taken Architecture degrees. They have to have a year out in practice before they can start the next part, but there's sod all in the way of available jobs. Some students do work for nothing just to get through it. My youngest comes from Leeds to Altrincham every thursday night and works for free every friday, just to the get the experience (as well as to do her washing, get free food etc)

I suspect you will be supporting them for a while longer. If England is anything like France is takes much much longer for an architect to qualify than it does a solicitor or an accountant or a doctor or a vet...........

[compte deGraves]

.................and politicians don't need any qualification at all!

[Alan Raine]

Originally Posted by compte deGraves

I suspect you will be supporting them for a while longer. If England is anything like France is takes much much longer for an architect to qualify than it does a solicitor or an accountant or a doctor or a vet...........

At least 7 years to get a masters degree.

[delta]

One of my school mates went on and became an architect. He did not Finnish university until he was 30.I was already not!!!! a famous racing driver by then

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by compte deGraves

I suspect you will be supporting them for a while longer. If England is anything like France is takes much much longer for an architect to qualify than it does a solicitor or an accountant or a doctor or a vet...........

Seven plus years to become a doctor.

[midgetman]

Which of course is why they command such high fees after such a long and intensive period of training on little or no pay (threads on "Cost of Medicals" passim)

[Al Weyman]

Unless they have a hooky Asian degree and please dont say it doesnt happen.

Tim, You can only have a kid on work experience for a short period, so you waste a load of time explaining what to do then they go back to college, very productive not!

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Which of course is why they command such high fees after such a long and intensive period of training on little or no pay (threads on "Cost of Medicals" passim)

Make that "such a long and intensive period of training on no pay" and don't get me started on the cost of it all.

[zefarelly]

An Architect needs to be talented AND qualified . . . atop that, experience is needed before you can earn a living, let alone make any money. not a career for the feint hearted.

I was too 'arty' as a draughtsman in an engineering environment, too agricultural for architectural companies I experienced???? Having worked for a Decent German company on some larger canopy roofing projects worldwide I learnt the balance. thats not to say I agreed, I was low in the pecking order at Ove Arup/Hopkins for example.

still made a valid here and there point though.

perhaps I should have followed architecture, I love it, but I can't see how it would have happened

[E.B]

Originally Posted by compte deGraves

.................and politicians don't need any qualification at all!

..... and not even a minimum three laps of practice to get a qualifying waiver and start from the back....

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Cliff Ryan

Unless you speak to a good accountant

I was introduced to someone referred to as a 'creative' accountant once. He did some good work for me for a couple of years, and nice refunds followed. Just give me all your receipts he asked..... I was always amazed at the number of racecar/slick tyres my road car used in a year .

But I was always scared to death of opening the front door when it rang and it was someone I did not recognise on the little monitor screen I have for the porch.