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I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Marc Gené would leave Audi to free the path for Marco Bonanomi or Nico Müller in one of the three race cars that would at least run at LM. Marc Gené is still a Ferrari development driver, isn't he ? I suspect that he may have some work ahead in respect of the development of the new 2014-spec Ferrari. |
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I think Gene is still a Ferrari development driver, but he is also a F1 commentator for the TV, isn't he?
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I too think we might see Gené leave. Replaced by Bonanomi, who could then be replaced by Müller as test and reserve driver.
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This video highlight of the Shanghai race contains some interesting close views and slowmo takes of the Audi R18 e-tron Quattro.
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Also is sated a low voltage circuit, 16V, for all the car functions including lights, yet is not forbidden to include a second battery in connection to the high voltage circuitry that is part of the electric hybrid drives. Also in that "FINAL" draft is not mentioned any restriction upon harvesting, only releasing (as all know). Which makes sense, since 16V may be too short to run all the ancillary by electric means. So nothing is stipulated against "constant" harvesting, which can be like in F1 by "turbo" compounding, that is, a moto/gen or simply a TIGERS connected to the exhaust turbine, eliminating in the process the need for a waste-gate, by the moto/gen drives ( up to 2, 1 per axle) upon braking (braking recuperating)... ... and or by thermoelectric means connected also with exhaust, it could be also by a kind of wind turbine -small- placed in the front, and by the suspension dampeners, and or a second turbine on exhaust like that Japanese engine builder for LPM is proposing. ( there are more possibilities lol) Also, since the ancillary is electric, the "alternator" connected to the engine ( the only thing directly connected to engine) could be bigger, and though the low voltage and high voltage circuitry must be separated, i think is possible the bigger but low voltage battery "spill" into the high voltage battery (which most probably would be smaller but Lithium Phosphate of Lithium-Ion ) Quote:
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And the "prejudice" about hybrid should be gone... the excuses invented cannot apply, like driver helping etc... they know it... even the harvesting function can have a direct influence on performances , that additional braking GU in Toyota made it one of fastest (if not the faster) braking car of the championship... they can always brake later on harvesting zones, clearly shown in videos, clearly shown at the beginning of this year La Sathre edition on semi-wet conditions. Release should also be free... the grand winner of all will be our road cars... and nothing more leveling the playing field between petrol and diesel and or other ICE, than Hybrid... after all, all the energy for hybrid comes also from the fuel( which puts the car in motion), and the more the engine wastes the more there is to harvest... lets complain hard LOL |
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Release of energy will be 'free' as in no 'zones' between two turns. At least thats what the rules look like as of now.
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Also it seems wider in front (just a tiny bit) that in the rear (axle widths)... a better aerodynamic config... and also improves cornering handling. And is kind of a "long tail". Engine sounds like the same V6... just a little less "guttural" sound (perhaps my impression) more metallic... perhaps more RPM more turbo pressure (digress) And is very fast lol... attending its a "test"... i always though that 2014 will have faster races than 2013, and if FIA/ACO thought that by cutting the average fuel flows (they are lower than 2013) would reduce speed, they are in for a big surprise (specially for diesel) LOL |
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That car is just a 2013 LM spec ("long tail") R18 with the narrower 2014 tyres. No special engine or aero development for next year.
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After all there is no need to. That "air" hybrid, i think is not exactly "air motive", that is, was only a system to store some exhaust pressure to release it upon low "turbo" rpm (and consequently low engine rpm)... see it like a "air" supercharging... Better of all would be exactly electric supercharging or the so called "turbo compounding"... a good "switched reluctance" motor/gen connect to the turbo can quadruple the rpm of this turbo in much less than a second... |
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"long tail" 2013 in Monza (also) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODgMxeaVuDY compare "new" in Monza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOFaGiCcHC0 ( the engine sound seems different...at least to me... and the "new" seems faster lol, thought in the earlier test for 2013 it was kind of semi-wet conditions) What is *not visible* is pretty much any one guess lol... but it doesn't validate or invalidate anything different. Nevertheless (coincidently or not), is a good guess that the 2014 Audi will be pretty much a 2013 car adapted to the new rules, for me it would be a surprise if they come out with a totally different design and or different engine (V6). |
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What might be gone is the strict stipulation of release zones (its an advancement in the right direction). |
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Ok. I guess you didn't understand the relative meaning of free in this instance. Theres no more zones, so you're free to use hybrid power (up to the 2, 4, 6, 8 MJ) anywhere on track.
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Shouldn't this car have constant AWD?
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Well, the 2014 car needs to be taller and narrower, with narrow front wheels, so I don't see how they can use the 2013 tub.
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Sorry to be unclear. I meant "I don't see how they can use the 2013 tub next year." It only makes sense to use the 2013 car for both motor and hybrid tests while the new chassis is being designed and built
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Taller it can be accomplished the same way as Porsche.. a stepped roof shape, some structure fused above what is already there (no need to design or build a totally different cockpit)... and this considering that what is already there doesn't follow the 2014 rules( we don't know, can't measure) http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsmay13.html http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newssept13.html Narrower would be even easier. And in this structures there has *always* been many small "subtle" changes( perhaps they have subtle different, easily replaced front and rear sections according to circuits) ... the laterals and the wheel arch/houses... and probably ( not quite visible) the front and rear underfloor. As example with gwillion pictures and comparing with the car for 2011/12 there are differences ... this video has many close images http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCYwjEhTiJo ... there are some differences in the "curvature" and "shape" of some structures, though the design and general shape is pretty much the same. @ gwillion Quote:
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The car seen at the LM Test Day in June and at Monza is merely supposed to be a running "lab" designed to simulate the down-force levels of the 2014-spec car and to extensive testing with the narrower 2014-spec Michelin tires.
You can bet that there is more under the skin, but I sincerely doubt that the new Audi "R18" will share the same tub. It's likely going to be an entirely new car. But that's an "educated" guess |
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Great picture... it shows clearly that the "openings" ( by rules) on top of the wheel arch (they can be 'lateral'), on the Monza tests must be much more behind...
So different... BTW have you noticed that openings and airs intakes in the left and right of the car can vary lol... even from circuit to circuit lol Yes for all purposes 2014 will be a "new" car... but i think the general design philosophy will be the same and the 2014 car will resemble the 2013 a lot ( there is a lot of drag/grip/downforce study/tests/experiments with this design)... also think the engine will be a V6... but now that the engine rules are free (kind of), for amazement it will have a little more displacement and charging, yet consume a little less fuel (average-> the presupposes for a petrol engine are quite different for a diesel) lol It could be faster on 2014 than 2013, in spite of the less mechanical grip ( could be counter-balanced by "hydrid" at any speed) |
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Yes black and "perspective" can play tricks
BTW those "Red Arrows" on the car are from origin ( very odd )... or are photoshoped from a different "analyst" indicating precisely the differences he encoutered. At least one of those red arrows seems the indicate the "additional" air intake you mention before... but there are 3 red arrows !?... And this in a comparable perspective The front of the underfloor doesn't seem to extended so forward in the Monza tub, the vanes on top of the wheel arch still seems to me more pronounced, there seems to be a subtle but different curvature on the all front wheel arch, and there seems to be "entrances" just below the front head lights, just below those front below head light diffusers... But we don't need to continue debating this, black doesn't help at all... yet i see a couple of subtle differences, which doesn't invalidate that the car is pretty much the same... for sure the 2014 will have plenty of clear differences, only i think the design rules will be identical, they will resemble (can be wrong of course .. lol... otherwise i would have inside info, which is not the case at all). Last edited by hcl123; 12 Nov 2013 at 23:01. |
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