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Motor racing fans (the sort of people who post on forums) find Bathurst just as big a deal as it always has been.TV ratings show that the once a year viewer has deserted the race in the V8 Supercar era with the number of people watching now half a million less now than 30 years ago even though the population is much larger.These people are not going to return to watch the current NASCAR like formula.There are 3 things that I would like to see change from an enthusiast point of view 1_less safety cars.Lookat Le Mans and see the sort of incidents that are cleaned up under local yellows.Schenken is always looking to ,in the words of Paul Keating (first time his name has ever been brought up in a philosophical discussion on motor racing?) "flick the switch to showbiz".The safety car he brought out in 2006 when Jason Richards was parked in the far corner of the Chase represented a nadir in poor judgement calls. 2More cars.Encourage the top Development teams to race by having no round at Bathurst,no rounds for 6 weeks before and after and no requirement to also race in the Sandown 500. 3Get rid of the current pro/am driver restrictions.Walkinshaw and 888 have won every Bathurst since 2000 and many of the other team owners thought this rule would give them a chance.These 2 teams have still dominated the 2 pro/am Bathurst 1000's so it hasn't worked.All it does is make the race seem even more like just another round which might be exciting to the marketing people at V8 Supercars but insults the heritage of the race.
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The problem is the Media, and thus the sponsorship people haven't cottoned on to the shift in viewre preference as yet. The next step is live broadcast and watch the ratings grow for a couple of years. Then as the interest in space frame specials falls off October can go to the longer length and genuine production car status. Oh well, in my lifetime, just, maybe. |
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i think people need to realise that times change, and the Bathurst 1000 will also need to change. We can't stay living in the 70's and 80's.
More cars? Won't work under the present structure. The top DV8 cars will have no drivers, as the regulars are strapped into main game teams. There are wildcards available, and what has happened with those? nothing apart from Shannons this year. 1 slot from 5 taken up isn't promising. Safety Car issues? I think most people agree on the closing of pit lane under yellow, or whatever else, to afford better safety. Its been done to death. "down to the last 30 laps"? cars have been engineered over time to be bullet proof, and as such they all last til the end. This combined with Safety cars means that 90% still have a chance over the last 30 laps. Not quite reality though with maybe 4 cars the only ones with a real chance. You can't change this either nothing apart from changing the types of machinery raced will fix anyones concerns posted on here |
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In theory it would kill staregy and all cars would pit at exactly the same time so as not to lose out to a SC which could happen a lap latter. there are only three ways to make Bathurst more attractive, 1st and this would be stupid to, make the other races less attractive. 2nd shorten the race 3rd more brands as you mentioned, (although i am doubtful of this) which will hopefully happen under COTF, but that is already causing complaints on here with some people with a nostalgic view of the passed which has forgotten the bad things |
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2. part of the problem with bathurst is that because SC's come out with 30 laps to go (and have for about half of the Bathursts now) its all about making sure you are in the right place for the end race. Thats not going to change, without some serius infrastructure changes (read $). Therefore shorter race eliminates that time of getting to the end race. we can have a race Saturday and a race sunday. 3. you may be right, you may not be, we cant say, because we have never done it, some people wont like it, others will, time will tell on that one At the same time, i really like bathurst, I already have my ticket for next year, I dont have a problem with it |
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Allan Moffat 1988 complining how the ANZ sierra cooked its motor under SC, lap 129 (or 32 laps from the end) when were they dreadful 2 SC, that really screwed up the race was it 1995, when Larry won courtesy of a SC with 20 laps to go? oh yeah and this decade is only 2 years (or maybe 1), so you are talking 12 years then, which is a quarter by itself Last edited by peckstar; 10 Nov 2011 at 06:39. |
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1988 then 1995 don't strike me as too regular, especially as both races featured 2 safety cars total each for the entire races. Infact all dry races prior to the end of the twentieth century featured very little safety car interference. |
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if you went back, you would find that most years had a late race SC that brought the race back to gether for an end race, Its just that in many of those year half the field or more didnt finish or problems had caused only a few cars to be on the lead lap, where as now big chunks of the field are competitive and can run on the lead lap all day and so be there at the finish for a race in the end game. |
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The Bathurst 1000 has never been better havent missed a telecast since the late 60s - now lets build the Bathurst 12 Hour into something of magnitude its a great formulae would love free to air live coverage.
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NO! .... if you bothered to read your own post... what you 'actually' said was: "Actually, its only this decade that safety cars in the last 30 laps have become the regular problem they are" There is a BIG difference between 'this decade' and 'the past decade' Pecky : 1 155 : 0 Last edited by ForumNick; 10 Nov 2011 at 09:00. |
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I remember perfectly fine, but i've been around here long enough to know better than to get into an argument....
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He finished second and set a new lap record co-driving with Luffy in an Audi. Bairdo was third. David Wall was fourth. David Russell was fifth. Allan Simonsen was sixth. Plenty of V8 drivers if that is your thing. Chaz Mostert and Ashley Walsh were 16th.
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Remove the 7500rpm limit from the engines and the restrictions from the gearing and final drive.
Bring the Dev series cars into the race and fill the grid. There is enough drivers in the world to fill the seats. |
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Best idea yet, it is not like the 5ltr can't handle it.. It is more a thing to do with dollars than capable cars and drivers to fill seats.. |
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I knew I should have checked before putting Lowndes down to make the point But yeah, you got the drift, the 12 hour exists but not in V8SC championship. |
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Sometimes the Safety Car is needed even if it is the last part of the race.Will Davison in 2010 is a textbook example.However it seems Tim Schenken is often actively looking for reasons to bring it out to close up the field.Watching Le Mans the last 3 years has been a real eye opener to other ways of doing things.There with a field much larger and faster and with much greater disparity in car speed and driver ability/experience than Bathurst incidents that would always bring out the SC at Bathurst are cleaned up under local yellows.This is under the same FIA rules that people are saying are the reason Tim has to flick the switch here.At Bathurst crews down escape roads or behind track openings could clean up all or nearly all incidents at Murray's,Hell,the Chase and the corner at the end of Mountain Straight under local waved double yellows.If they don't think this is possible they should import the Race Director and some marshals from Le Mans.Looking to close up the race for the sake of the show cheapens the event.
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