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And he beat him and the two Catherhams, at Suzuka of all places, in qualifying.
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you mean, you have! force india still seem relatively convinced, and they could have their pick...
the dangers of judging people by their gp2 performances, eh? |
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He's still Force India reserve and seems highly rated in the paddock.
Best young Brit coming through GP2 or 3.5 by a country mile is Sam Bird IMO. But then he's not that 'young'. Which might well put teams off. They want the hotshoes (with money) |
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Sorry but "Max Chilton" sounds like a piece of cheese... very rich cheese...
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Sorry but "Max Chilton" sounds like a piece of cheese... very rich cheese...
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I met young Mr Chilton a few years ago, and he was a very pleasant and polite young man. I find some of the insults thrown at him are of the "green eyed" variety. I would love to see some of these armchair drivers do a lap in an F1 car that was only 2 seconds off pole position!
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There's an element of 'shoot the messager' about some of the Chilton advocates on this thread - can't argue with the objective points made, so they try to turn it into something personal, which it isnt. I've no doubt that Chilton is a very pleasant person - he comes across this way. |
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Great post ...
I first met Max Chilton and his father 'Chilly Chilton' at Buckmore Park in Max's karting days. I took quite a few photographs of Max. Forget their wealth, I found Max and his dad really down to earth people and had time to talk to everybody. In 2003, I met Tom Chilton when I was involved in Formula Ford with 'Team Jato Motorsport'. He was driving in the BTCC. Again a smashing guy who would always come up to see how our team was doing. In January 2009, I saw them together at the 'Autosport International' show and they both said 'Hi'. Quote:
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and it's not a matter of being 2 seconds off pole (hang on, where was that?? spa??) in a one-make formula either. it's f1.
totally agree. respect to the guy, he's doing a decent job with the tools he has been given. if he was further up the grid i don't know how his pace would translate, but at the southernmost tip, it's pretty decent. |
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hope you're not suggesting i'm an advocate. like i said, unfortunately he stands for some very unpleasant things about modern society and it's astounding that after his gp2 career he can be considered a worthy f1 driver. BUT if you're going to throw rocks then you must remember what he is actually doing and what he has managed to do this year.
reading some of your posts it's as if the guy is finishing 2 laps behind his teammate in every race. that's not the case, and there are plenty out there who would do a far worse job. unfortunately, some of those ills of modern society that he stands for are things that are very... provocative. that kind of wealth, that kind of privilege, it's very offensive to people on a personal level. and it's offensive to them that their sport is being used in this way by people, regardless of whether there's a historical precedent for that already. and seriously, if someone just resents him for his sporting achievements then they probably should go and speak to a therapist about that. a hate that strong created purely from one young mans sporting career is a really unhealthy thing. but if it's a hate towards his position in society as well that makes it a little more understandable, but no less destructive. |
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Guys. I kinda like the journeymen backmakers. I always liked the mystique of that as long as their money doesn't buy them a place too high up the grid. All part of the charming eccentricity of the sport. As long as they can met a certain minimum level of competency mind you. I don't rate Chilton but I don't find him particularly objectionable either.
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to be honest, i don't see trying to understand where the resentment and warped expectations for this weird hate comes from - and it is hate, if you look at the language. the ability to dislike something that much is unhealthy, not the desire to look at it and understand why it's happening. you're angling the accusation of trolling at the wrong person, i'm afraid. but forgive me for trying to add a grown-up element to what started out as a bit of a mud-flinging session. if you want mud-flinging, there's lots of 15 year olds on twitter who you can join in with. |
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Max is a delightful young man - I do know him and while I don't think he should be in F1 there's no reason to dislike let alone hate him. We all have our favourites and those we like less but this isn't or shouldn't be a place to vent such dark feelings |
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Don't understand the point of this thread at all. Yes, Chilton has reached F1 thanks to privilege at every step of the motorsport ladder, but in the history of the sport there have been far worse. On his day he could be very good in F3 and GP2, that's not something you could say of numerous pay drivers of the past. Just buying into a team doesn't guarantee your son 4th place finishes in the standings in both British F3 and GP2 - respectable achievements at the very least.
Plus he's up against a former F3 Euro Series champion who very nearly won the FR3.5 title, so it's not as though he's consistently off the pace of a mere journeyman driver. Yes, there are many drivers more deserving of the seat, drivers I'd rather see in the Marussia, but isn't that always the way? Not sure why Chilton needs to be singled out for such vitriol. For someone who's wealthy family has bought him the seat, he's a competent driver. |
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quite. all through chilton's f1 career, particularly around when tests and race drives have been announced, there's been a lot of doom mongering and denial of talent. well, here we are, the end of the season, and so far he's finished every race, kept his highly rated teammate honest and has only really done the occasional rookie mistake.
we'd be kidding ourselves if we thought any of our favourites could do a vastly better job in the same situation with that car and those tools available to him. it's not to say he's not exempt from criticism, but he's doing a decent job. |
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well put.
also, unlike some other "pay drivers", the wealth hasn't just bought him a f1 drive but it's bought him a very good motorsport education on the way up, good fitness training, good mental training, he's exceptionally well prepared to make use of the talent he does have. unlike someone like sirotkin who has a truckload more natural talent, but doesn't yet have the tools yet to use it. |
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I'm amazed me ranting about what I thought was a boneheaded move by him at turn 2 (which was certainly a Marussia - maybe it was Bianchi being a prick) has suddenly turned into an argument over who really was the worst driver in F1, and, even more worryingly, society itself!
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With all the wealth that the Chilton's have, you'd think that they could afford a better hairdresser !
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Max Chilton is going to get criticism. He's a public figure and has chosen this path, criticism from the public is part and parcel of that.
Whether criticism is merited isn't dependent on whether said critic could peddle an F1 car faster. That's complete nonsense. In F1 terms, Max Chilton is remarkable in that he is completely unremarkable. I'm not that sure there is much more to say about him really. A Pedro Diniz figure perhaps but not a Taki Inoue basically. |
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