Monoposto at Silverstone - Page 2

howard · 20 Apr 2004, 15:06 (Ref:945620)

Don't FR2000 run a 6 speed sig box?
Will these be allowed?

kickstart · 20 Apr 2004, 15:19 (Ref:945630)

under rule 5.9.2 it states "transmissions prohibited:none" and under 5.9.3 "transmissions & drive ratios:free"
Hence you can run a 6 speed sig box - I don't know but maybe some of the guys running late F3 cars are already using sig boxes
Technology moves on, and like it or not the quick cars in mono 2000 in the next few years will probably be 2000 spec F Renaults and later F3 cars.

JohnMiller · 20 Apr 2004, 15:49 (Ref:945654)

F3 upto F301 are five speed H pattern, dog leg first.

Comtec, how the **** do you tell a 2000 FR from a 2001 FR then.

Sounds right up your street.

Comtec Renault · 20 Apr 2004, 21:16 (Ref:946020)

The chassie has a date stamp on it also Renault UK have all the records about all the cars and engines that have run in the UK in any race, so the cars history will be no prob to find, but I still think the US spec FF2000 car will be the car to have, as it is built to run at 40mm you can fit a 5 speed box and diff if you want and its aero package is also made to work at 40mm, the only thing is that its better if you run a Ford motor in it, but there is always the new spec Zetecs (STR) that with some mods I recon will fit! and then you have plenty of grunt, so the car has lots left in its Mono development yet! also if you shunt a Renault your into the Carbon thing,and the parts cost a arm and a leg.at the end of all of it if you have a good stright car and you have a good motor then you can be up the front in most cars look at Jim Blockley he races a Ralt RT3 and he is always up the sharp end.

JohnMiller · 20 Apr 2004, 22:23 (Ref:946103)

If I wanted to do Mono 2000 I'd convert my Zetec as my favourite option.
Second option would be a Reynard F3 as I think they will run better at 40mm than Dallaras which rely on too much ground effect and too little wing.

Comtec Renault · 21 Apr 2004, 11:30 (Ref:946555)

In the future the Mono club will have to allow more modern motors into the championship, I must say that I am in favour of keeping the Carbs rule, As I feel that if we had Fuel injected motors in the top class that We would find it very difficult to police the ECU,s and then we would have a real can of worms to sort!! Imagine poor John trying to sort a Lap top out to interagate the many ECU,s that you can get and also see if anyone has a tricky map hidden behind the STD one allowed,also traction control and the like would come to the fore

JohnMiller · 21 Apr 2004, 11:36 (Ref:946571)

Quote:

Originally posted by Comtec Renault
top class

Monoposto does not have a 'top' class..

Comtec Renault · 21 Apr 2004, 11:41 (Ref:946580)

Ok I ment 2ltr car that runs at the front without special dispensation or club invitation,ie not 8 valve old type Renaults or old spec Vauxhall Lotus cars

JohnMiller · 21 Apr 2004, 13:11 (Ref:946684)

Yep, that cleared it up!

Triple J Motorsport · 21 Apr 2004, 13:27 (Ref:946700)

So next year I can run my standard FFZetec (Mygale SJ01) in the 1800 class? Running to FF rules including standard injection?

If so would it be competitive?

John

JohnMiller · 21 Apr 2004, 14:29 (Ref:946744)

Yes and very yes.
Fit softer tyres, free up exhaust and take off alternator if you want to.

Also fit narrow sidepods if you really want to / if such exist for it (US FF2000 spec?). And wings, LSD, 5 speed box etc. - although all that might get a little pricey!

Comtec Renault · 21 Apr 2004, 19:14 (Ref:947007)

I think that is what Jez Unsworth is going to do over the 04 winter to his 00 Van Diemen!! it will be very fast in the 1800 class.

kickstart · 21 Apr 2004, 21:54 (Ref:947172)

Jez seems to be going pretty well even with his car in standard trim. Apparently his plan is to put 1/2 a DFV in the car for next season which should see BHP rise to circa 300...LOL
Has anyone got any ferry prices for the Spa race yet. I have been told that the ferry looks about 50% more expensive than last year, which may mean the John Loebell and Jez won't be going. What the best price anyone has for a 7.5 tonne lorry ?

Triple J Motorsport · 22 Apr 2004, 15:50 (Ref:948001)

It will remain 100% legal for FF1800 (Zetec) including tyres. As I will race in SFFC do I assume then it won't be competitive then? What's the 1800 lap record at Brands ? I am doing mid to low 49s. 1:14 Doningon

John

JohnMiller · 22 Apr 2004, 16:17 (Ref:948024)

Currently, you would be very competitive. I took my old Swift 97 to Silverstone recently and qualified on the class pole (with very old and useless tyres and never having driven it properly before) in front of Jez Unsworth (who was on slicks in the damp). He won the class with a best time of about 1.02. Being as a top-line Zetec time is 59s your car can win...

RMR · 22 Apr 2004, 16:28 (Ref:948035)

john, how many cars have you got?

Triple J Motorsport · 22 Apr 2004, 17:06 (Ref:948056)

Just a Mygale SJ01 FFZetec racing in Avon National clubman

Depends how damp it was I am in the 61s in the dry. In testing few weeks ago it was damp I was in the 63s.

Looks like I would get a race with someone anyway. I am not looking to pot hunt! Be nice to win the class but looking for more racing rather than something easier (than Avon national FF1800) to win.

See you on the grid in 2005 (hopefully in my mirrors!)

John

JohnMiller · 22 Apr 2004, 17:15 (Ref:948061)

Quote:

Originally posted by RMR
john, how many cars have you got?

As my wife says, far too ****ing many!

Triple J Motorsport · 22 Apr 2004, 23:21 (Ref:948427)

Ah too many Johns!

blossy · 29 Apr 2004, 15:20 (Ref:955842)

you lot should listen to yourselves. You are so busy spending money converting old nails to run in an at best gentleman drivers championship you cant see the wood for the trees. if you all spent a bit less time running down BARC Renault and actually bother to look into what it costs to run in a proper championship you would be surprised. i know of one or two drivers doing very well in mono who couldnt break the top ten in a BARC Renault race. At the end of the day the cars were built to a specification that meant that they werent meant to run anywhere near a 40mm ride height therefore why try and convert them when there is a perfectly good championship already in place where you can run the cars as they were designed...........

JohnMiller · 29 Apr 2004, 15:30 (Ref:955849)

Quote:

Originally posted by JohnMiller
Most people seem to agree that F Renaults are no good in Mono - although doubtless some will disagree.

Don't think we're disagreeing too much there blossy!

BARC Renaults are nice cars but last time I saw them there were only about seven and some of those were well off the back on pace - why don't you come and try FF1600 if you want real competition? LOL

blossy · 29 Apr 2004, 16:46 (Ref:955885)

I dont remember ever running with only seven cars. however that sums up what i am saying. instead of trying to spend silly money to run the things in mono why not just run them where they were intended and maybe pick up some prize money on the way.
I wouldnt mind a run in a FF1600 as i have some friends who do it. Was that an offer for a freebie????

JohnMiller · 30 Apr 2004, 06:42 (Ref:956424)

Quote:

Originally posted by blossy

I wouldnt mind a run in a FF1600 as i have some friends who do it. Was that an offer for a freebie????

Possibly not.

Comtec Renault · 30 Apr 2004, 09:04 (Ref:956570)

I have tested against some of your top 10 old BARC Renault cars and they are not that good? infact if you put Robin Dawe or myself in a good car I recon we could win our first event. never underestimate the top runners in Monoposto, I have raced against some of the best, Some drivers and cars in Mono are very good,also not all people want to race in a Championship with teams and young kids racing in it, I should know I do it for a living and its much better racing at a nice Club meeting with nice people and less Bull**** than at a TOCA meeting?..Give me the Peterborough or Darlington motor clubs any day.So you come and have a look at Monoposto and the top cars and then tell me your BARC car drivers are better- you will see that they are not,young and light does not mean better,I tested your Champion from the not too distant past,and he was at best Average.

kickstart · 30 Apr 2004, 10:14 (Ref:956641)

Blossy - As Comtec says, the main advantages of Mono racing is the full grid and a friendly paddcok - the same things go for F4. As someone who owns a Formula Renault I wanted to do club racing with people who were more my own age group and I wanted to race with full grids. My perception of F renault from watching a race last year and going round the paddock was that it all seemed a little serious and that most drivers were youngsters.
From what I have read in the comics - BARC F Renault at Rockingham only had 9/10 cars out.
Might it not be better for next season to contact the 750MC and run as a seperate class inside F4 - the cars will be front runners and you will have a full grid.

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