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What's your point? were talking about the influence that Audi and Peugeot have at any race they enter. And there ability to draw crowds to an event. im not asking why the rebeliion or pescarolo don't provide the same thrill. Its already a given fact that they don't provide the same excitement. And thats all that matters in order to bring crowds of people.
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It's not even specifically Audi and Peugeot. It's the presence of a big manufacturer(not aston). If Toyota goes to Lemans it would be a japanese revolution. you know nissa nand honda won;t let toyota have the glory. The japanese companies are extremely competitive. Honda is not enjoying the fact the the toyota prius is trouncing the insight hybrid.
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The stuff you see with Audi and Peugeot is what brings crowds. Yes of course i know why the pesca and rebellion won't do that.thats an unspoken fact.(the money) this is the influence that Audi and peugeot have. they bring the crowds. thats what keeps the series going...thats my point. Audi and Peugeot are keeping the world endurance championship and the ILMC going. not rebellion and pescarolo.. |
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That farnbacher ferrari has been heckling that BMW all day long lol
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What I'm and another individual have been talking about is the reasons why you don't get the risky/stupid moves from privateers like you do from the works teams. It's got nothing to do with the other parts of your statement but that bit about the spectacle the Peugeots and Audis give the fans (the risky/stupid moves).
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And their not "stupid moves". Its called calculated risk. And calculated risk exist in EVERY sport. So in effect your calling every athlete stupid(im sure your not though). When a tennis player goes for a shot down the line its calculated risk. If your in position to make the play it is a high percentage move regardless of the sport. When russel westbrook goes for the three pointer thats a risk(high percentage if no one is defending him). you should differentiate between stupid and high percentage risk. Rockenfeller was High Percentage play(all the LMP cars had passed gt cars all day long at that kink before so why not do it again.) Kaufman was "stupid move". Didnt a rebellion driver wreck in the porsche curves on his own....didn;t Emmanuel Collard crash the pescarolo on his own at tertre rouge. those are "stupid". Alex Wurz had a "stupid" moment as well in the peugeot. Why are you attributing the "stupid/risky" moves to Audi and Peugeot.....And make it seem like everything is all dandy at pescarolo and rebellion. Last edited by Audi Racer; 26 Jun 2011 at 12:36. |
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Sorry buddy but I'm not even going to answer any of that, I'm starting to get confused from what you're trying to say...
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My response: In this years 24 hours of Lemans Jean Christophe Boullion crashed the Rebellion lola(privateer) in the porsche curves all by himself.. In this years 24 hours of Lemans Emmanuel Collard crashed the Pescarolo(privateer) all by himself. those are stupid. So ive contradicted your argument. |
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Did he crash from making a simple driver mistake or did he crash from making a risky move around a GTE car or was it just track conditions? |
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He would have been told go at the limit, what do you think that means to a driver?
Thats not a good enough answer sorry, find out how he crashed and come back with that. Thats not a good enough answer sorry, find out how he crashed and come back with that. Well obviously, but was there oil on the track in the line either driver used? What about gravel on track that they just happened to pick up and caused a puncture? Think outside the box instead of using a generalisation. |
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26 Jun 2011, 13:16 (Ref:2906269) | #39 | ||
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what do you mean that not good enough. i saw the incidents. did you? Its exactly as i stated. Emmanuel Collard breaked too late(locking up) into tertre rouge and went stright into the barriers.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTeLMB8cBoI Jean Christopje Bouillion 14 hours into the race said on the radio that he made a mistake and thats why he crashed. them http://youtu.be/kOM905SHTx0?t=57s no one was around |
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it doesnt look like the tetre rouge, it seems more like the first turn of porsche section where collard crashed
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I was up for the full 24 and yes I saw both incidents, braking too late into the Porsche Curves is a mistake and Collard and Pesca paid for it. I'd put that one down to fatigue more than driver orders (it was near the end of the race and all they had to do was cruise).
The JCB accident was made in traffic, theres a chance he made a mistake following or passing another car. |
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An you know the funny thing is the that They never showed the Pescarolo accident on T.V. dont argue that we saw different channels because regardless of the channel theres is only one French feed for video which the different channels commentate on. the Emmanuel Collard accident was never televised. The video on youtube is from someon who was in the stands a the Prsch curves. Soooo you lied Mitch...... |
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Thats classic, you accuse me of saying you're lieing then tell me I'm a liar? It was shown on the feed I was watching
I asked if you could come up with a better answer because I was hoping you'd be able to give me something better than they did it themselves. Theres more factors involved in those crashes which you've glossed over... (BTW, you speak english, can you please use better spelling and grammar for the sake of making things easier to make sense of?) |
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There is one french feed. Everybody see's the exact same thing and they never televised collards crash.....Thats that. In addition don't lecture me on grammar when you made a mistake in your grammar as well. |
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I'd best have my eyes checked to make sure they're working properly now I know I'm legally blind...
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lying is a word In addition. the track conditions are the same for everyone which is why its ok for me to gloss over that. Those factors don;t matter because it was the same for everyone else. Its not like collard is the only guy who had fatigue. Its not like JCB was the only guy driving in the dark.... They made mistakes that drivers arent suppose to make. |
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yeah were not disputing that track conditions played a factor. However. It wasnt raining only for emmanuel collard. there wasnt a rain cloud following just him. Every other car had to drive though there as well.....
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Lieing - Commonly used misspelling of lying. (Poor dig at me for spelling, how's my grammar?)
Tux made a good point too, it was beginning to rain when Collard has his off which means it could have caused him to run wider (crossing a wet painted line is a bad idea). |
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