Bernoldi out, ??????? in... - Page 2

Don K · 23 Aug 2001, 19:46 (Ref:134999)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
Jos was 6th when he retired in Canada, When Enrique had the engine problem he was already far behind Jos...

I think Bernoldi was running 13th when he retired in Canada. At that moment Jos was running 15th.

Don K · 23 Aug 2001, 19:49 (Ref:135004)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
And Yes, Bernoldi finished ahead of Jos in Germany(that's why I said 12-1 for Jos) but I think that that would'nt have happened if Zonta did'nt crash into Jos.......

And I think Zonta wouldn't have crashed into Jos if Jos wouldn't have locked his front tyres going into the chicane.......

steve nielsen · 23 Aug 2001, 20:18 (Ref:135025)

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Originally posted by Don K
I think Bernoldi was running 13th when he retired in Canada. At that moment Jos was running 15th.

Jos already had his pitstop at that moment, Enrique did'nt.....

**Bononi** · 23 Aug 2001, 22:00 (Ref:135114)

I don't mind Bernoldi leaving, but I don't think PDLR is the best choice... If I was Walkinshaw (and gladly I'm not), I would go for Webber.

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2001, 04:37 (Ref:135197)

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Originally posted by Bononi
I don't mind Bernoldi leaving, but I don't think PDLR is the best choice... If I was Walkinshaw (and gladly I'm not), I would go for Webber.

I agree with you on the Webber part, but I would'nt mind having Walkinshaw's money

ozrevhead · 24 Aug 2001, 07:05 (Ref:135207)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
Mark has been seen in the Arrows motorhome in Hungary by the dutch TV crew....

U SERIOUS!!! Where did hear that from???

I have waited 4 a very long time to see mark in f1 - he's persevered with little sponsorship & done so well- if more aussie companies sponsored mark hed be in f1 long ago

GO MARK GO!!!!!!!!

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Minardi fan · 24 Aug 2001, 09:16 (Ref:135231)

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Originally posted by Don K
If that's the reason, could you please explain to me why they want Pedro to return?

This is Tom Walkinshaw we are talking about here - so who knows?!?!

Jos needs to sort his attitude out - this season has been a particularly lacklustre one - qualifying 21st at Hungary in an Arrows is nothing to be proud of is it??? His constant moaning about Enrique does nothing for the team.

Bernoldi has impressed me this season with his consistency and maturity on the track, and deserves a drive in F1.

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2001, 12:21 (Ref:135303)

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Originally posted by ozrevhead

U SERIOUS!!! Where did hear that from???

I have waited 4 a very long time to see mark in f1 - he's persevered with little sponsorship & done so well- if more aussie companies sponsored mark hed be in f1 long ago

GO MARK GO!!!!!!!!

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Like I said: Dutch TV(RTL 5)

It would be good to see Mark in F1, I saw him last year at Zandvoort where he drove the 2 Seater, he seems like a nice guy....

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2001, 12:26 (Ref:135309)

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Originally posted by Minardi fan

This is Tom Walkinshaw we are talking about here - so who knows?!?!

Jos needs to sort his attitude out - this season has been a particularly lacklustre one - qualifying 21st at Hungary in an Arrows is nothing to be proud of is it??? His constant moaning about Enrique does nothing for the team.

Bernoldi has impressed me this season with his consistency and maturity on the track, and deserves a drive in F1.

There's nothing wrong with Jos's attitude,if Jos is working with the engineers to help improve the car and Bernoldi meanwhile is surfing the web ........ I would'nt be very happy if one of my co workers had that kind of attitude!

BTW: it's not only Jos who said it, Tom Walkinshaw also said Bernoldi was'nt professional enough......

**bella** · 24 Aug 2001, 15:30 (Ref:135384)

mr nielsen.

while i admire your defence of your driver, the constant berating of ours without admitting the facts is becoming a bit trying. you are backing up your arguement with a couple of sentences said by jos which were unwise in the first place. obviously jos wanted to unsettle the team, because trying to unsettle enrique that way won't work.

enrique is a rookie. jos isn't. any defeats by bernoldi of verstappen at any point this year should be looked upon by fans like yourself as a disaster. stop making excuses and take your fingers out of your ears.

(i admit enrique isn't the best driver ever. i think people are still blaming him for de la rosa being chucked out of the team, and they need to stop doing that)

thankyou.
(with apologies to r for using his very good arguement)

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2001, 15:33 (Ref:135385)

Like I said Bella: it's not only Jos who said that, it's Walkinshaw and several other teammembers too.......

Jos did'nt say Bernoldi was'nt a good driver, he just is'nt a team player(and this is the first time Jos said something like this about a teammate)......

Minardi fan · 24 Aug 2001, 17:45 (Ref:135410)

Jos seems to be opening his gob on a regular basis to take the focus away from the fact that he has seriously under-performed this season...

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2001, 18:00 (Ref:135420)

Jos underperforming??

Tom Walkinshaw does'nt seem to think so........

the only thing underperforming at Arrows is the engine(and Bernoldi in some races).......

Don K · 24 Aug 2001, 19:32 (Ref:135451)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
Jos underperforming??

Tom Walkinshaw does'nt seem to think so........

the only thing underperforming at Arrows is the engine(and Bernoldi in some races).......

Last sunday Jos didn't sound very happy after his post-race conversation with Mr. Walkinshaw...

How do you rate Jos' performance at Arrows after the moment Arrows had confirmed (in public) his position for next year?

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2001, 19:55 (Ref:135458)

After Jos was resigned things were'nt so good for Arrows, Jos is doing the best he can, but with that Asiatech it's very hard(stil Jos managed to get into 2nd place at 2 races, but the differences(BHP) where smaller at the time).....

R · 24 Aug 2001, 22:06 (Ref:135505)

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Originally posted by bella
with apologies to r for using his very good arguement

Why dear, it's an honour!

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
Jos did'nt say Bernoldi was'nt a good driver, he just is'nt a team player

That's an interesting perspective. Let's take Monaco for example. Exactly which Arrows driver was ahead of the other (not all that unusual), then let said other pass, and then went on to hold up one certain McLaren driver for half the race thus helping his team-mate?? Hmmm...

jiggly_puff · 25 Aug 2001, 00:47 (Ref:135545)

let it b zonta or wurz please god!!!!!!!!!

badoer fan · 25 Aug 2001, 07:41 (Ref:135609)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
Jos underperforming??

Jos underperforming??? Surely not, how can that be? bella, did u not see his brilliant achievement over the weekend, qualifying a superb 21st, ahead of that whiz Tarso Marques, and then driving it round oh so brilliantly to come a fantastic last?

Don K · 25 Aug 2001, 08:25 (Ref:135618)

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Originally posted by badoer fan
Jos underperforming??? Surely not, how can that be? bella, did u not see his brilliant achievement over the weekend, qualifying a superb 21st, ahead of that whiz Tarso Marques, and then driving it round oh so brilliantly to come a fantastic last?

Well, I think you can hardly blame him for the fact that each of the 6 drivers behind him retired.

badoer fan · 25 Aug 2001, 10:07 (Ref:135645)

*Finds Autosport lap chart thingy*

Actually, after half distance, the only car he was ahead of was Marques who'd been lapped about 27 times anyway. He was also behind Frentzen and Fisichella, both of whom overtook him in the pitstops due to his low fuel at the start, which is what gave him such a good start. And only 5 people behind retired actually

Don K · 25 Aug 2001, 10:45 (Ref:135664)

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Originally posted by badoer fan
*Finds Autosport lap chart thingy*

Actually, after half distance, the only car he was ahead of was Marques who'd been lapped about 27 times anyway. He was also behind Frentzen and Fisichella, both of whom overtook him in the pitstops due to his low fuel at the start, which is what gave him such a good start. And only 5 people behind retired actually

*Examining Forix lap chart thingy*
It looks to me as if Alonso completed 37 laps before retiring.
As he was behind Jos, and Jos completed his 74th round after Michael finished, I would say that at the time Michael had completed half the race distance, both Alonso and Marques were still driving behind Jos.

In fact I did overlook Frentzen, I thought Panis, Trulli, and Fisichella were the only drivers to retire in front of him.

But I don't think Fisichella overtook Jos in the pits because of Jos' low fuel at the start. After all, Fisichella did have his first pitstop 3 rounds before Jos did.
Fisichella's first stop was very short, forcing him to make his second pitstop 8 rounds before De la Rosa and Verstappen. So I would say the reason he overtook Jos in the pits was simply because of Fichella's low fuel in the second stint.

Quino · 25 Aug 2001, 18:33 (Ref:135784)

In terms of fastest laptimes, Bernoldi isn't dramatically slower than Verstappen. The only races where Verstappen put in a considerably faster fastest laptime, Bernoldi was out of the race early and the fastest laptimes where done late in the race.

In qualifying Bernoldi proves he is nothing short of his experienced teammate. Even his reaction to the lights is most of the time quicker than Jos'. Only if he could find his way thru the first corner as good as Jos.

Mind you, Bernoldi wasn't introduced to F1 as The Next Best Thing, and according to Jos and Arrows, he isn't even trying that hard anyway! If you take that in mind and compare his performance to that of his experienced teammate, the guy has done very well.

They should keep him.

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