[WTCC] Race 23 & 24 - Macau (MAC), 13/14/16 November 2008

[Bramzel]

Well, it wasn't fear of unneccesary damage that caused d'Aste's cancellation, as they've hired Tanev's services for Macau:

http://touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=2910

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Bramzel

Well, it wasn't fear of unneccesary damage that caused d'Aste's cancellation, as they've hired Tanev's services for Macau:

http://touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=2910

They WANT damage

[Asa]

Originally Posted by KA

they certainly won't now.....
http://www.fiawtcc.com/fiawtcc/sport_sto1748143.shtml

Lei and Jo will not have to embarrass or (though highly unlikely) endanger themselves and probably still get their money from Macau govt. Nice job if you can get it.

[Matt]

Shame, that Civic looked good.

[Asa]

Originally Posted by Matt

Shame, that Civic looked good.

The driver would not be able to qualify the car anyway.

[Matt]

And that's a very stupid rule, imo.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Matt

And that's a very stupid rule, imo.

You mean the 107% rule? Why is stat stupid?

[THIM]

Which one? That cars must be prepared within some rules, or that drivers must be able to complete the lap before it gets dark?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by FIRE

You mean the 107% rule? Why is stat stupid?

How is the driver going to get better, if he can't compete?

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Matt

How is the driver going to get better, if he can't compete?

Race in lower series (for example SEAT Supercopa and Renault Clio) to gain experience. If he's a midfielder or worse in that sort series than he maybe should conclude he has not the talent for WTCC.

[Matt]

At least he's out there. I can see if there was a maximum amount of entries, and he was outside that max number. But they're not, so they should be able to compete.

[mattt]

Originally Posted by Matt

At least he's out there. I can see if there was a maximum amount of entries, and he was outside that max number. But they're not, so they should be able to compete.

So you'd be happy for a championship contender to be taken out by a near novice whos 10 seconds of the pace, thus giving the title to the other.

[Bramzel]

Originally Posted by Matt

At least he's out there. I can see if there was a maximum amount of entries, and he was outside that max number. But they're not, so they should be able to compete.

No they shouldn't. Its a World Championship, if you can't stay within 107% you just don't belong there but in a lower championship. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen

[touringlegend]

Remember everyone to enter the WTCC Predictions !

[Matt]

Originally Posted by mattt

So you'd be happy for a championship contender to be taken out by a near novice whos 10 seconds of the pace, thus giving the title to the other.

That's racing. Who said he wouldn't be taken out by the second place driver, and having the exact same thing happen?

[Asa]

Accidents happen, yes, but no organizer should knowingly allow incapable drivers into a world championship event. That is very irresponsible.

[Matt]

Just because they're slow, doesn't mean they're incapable.

[JMeissner]

At a fast, twisty, accident filled, street circuit like Macau, the less disturbing moments, like drivers being over the 107% rule, the better.

Incapable or not, the Macau-race is the worst place to be for such a driver.

[Asa]

Originally Posted by Matt

Just because they're slow, doesn't mean they're incapable.

If speed is not the deciding factor in a race, then I don't know what is.

I can run 100m, too, but the IAAF (or whoever the governing body is) will never let me run in the Olympics 100m, even if I promise not to get in anybody's way, because I am TOO SLOW.

[Asa]

For your info, in the 2006 Macau F3 Grand Prix:

Qualifying 1
Marko Asmer 2:13.122 fastest
Lei Kit Meng 2:24.360 <- 11 seconds behind.
Jo Merszei 2:27.440 <- 14 seconds behind.

Qualifying 2
Oliver Jarvis 2:11.696
Lei Kit Meng 2:24.317 <-12.6 seconds behind
Jo Merszei 2:24.527 <- 12.8 seconds behind

107%
2:20.914

110%
2:24.865

They qualified because F3 used the 110% rule. They would not have made it if 107% was applied. Anyway anyone who needs to qualify like this, really is just a mobile chicane. Mind you 2007 was not the first year they race in Macau F3. They have been doing it for at least 5 years.

[Asa]

Apparently both cars took part in the test session today. Does it mean the FIA Bureau have reversed its position, or is it free for anyone to join the test session?

[JMeissner]

Farfus fastest in first test:

http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=2930

[iconic]

timing results

http://www.mstworld.com/msptresult.a...esultfile=wtc1

the singaporean driver should pretty much go home, over 30 seconds off the pace..

[Winchester]

Does anyone know if British Eurosport are showing qualifying, and if so when?

[SEATFreak]

Not a fan of his or of N.Technology but as a Brit I think that is a good session for Thommo.

Can I just say on the RPM Racing guys, that all this seems to do for me is further enhance the image many hold of the WTCC that it is a joke that doesn't seem to stick to rules and regs.