Scandinavian Touring Car Championship - Page 2

Mr Pink · 19 Nov 2009, 17:06 (Ref:2585193)

The last time they raced there STCC had some kind of offer with cheap flights from Stockholm right? Or have I dreamt that up? Maybe with the current state of the flying industry (cheaper) it might be easier than the last time.

With the midnight sun it might be good for live TV if they run the race Saturday evening..

rustyfan · 20 Nov 2009, 13:00 (Ref:2585772)

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

It's a good track, but it's a long trip, and nobody comes to watch. Getting a race in Norway isn't difficult in itself (Våler), getting it at a good track a whole nother matter. If they could get some sponsor to fly them to ACR I'd be all for it, but otherwise it's just too far out of the way.

I'm well aware of that, but that doesn't change the fact that the STCC badly needs better/more interesting tracks on the schedule instead of the slow start/stop ones the drivers for the most part have to deal with right now.

Then again, I guess racing at slow, boring tracks fits well with the excessive safety thinking that has infested all forms of Swedish motorsports. Hopefully involving Denmark, Norway and Finland might whack some sense into us.

Jimmy Magnusson · 20 Nov 2009, 16:06 (Ref:2585892)

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Originally Posted by rustyfan

I'm well aware of that, but that doesn't change the fact that the STCC badly needs better/more interesting tracks on the schedule instead of the slow start/stop ones the drivers for the most part have to deal with right now.

Then again, I guess racing at slow, boring tracks fits well with the excessive safety thinking that has infested all forms of Swedish motorsports. Hopefully involving Denmark, Norway and Finland might whack some sense into us.

Denmark, are you kidding me? Jyllandsringen is a go-kart track, not a race circuit. Just get Anderstorp back on the schedule, please. Returning Gelleråsen to it's pre-2005(ish) state would help, too. That first corner was one of the best things in Swedish motor sport, now it only creates accidents.

rustyfan · 22 Nov 2009, 06:09 (Ref:2586831)

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

Denmark, are you kidding me? Jyllandsringen is a go-kart track, not a race circuit. Just get Anderstorp back on the schedule, please. Returning Gelleråsen to it's pre-2005(ish) state would help, too. That first corner was one of the best things in Swedish motor sport, now it only creates accidents.

I wasn't talking about Danish tracks in that particular paragraph

Just feel that there is no way for example Danish race officials would over-react as much as the Swedish ones did during this years' race meetings. The Superbike races in particular were pathetic, like for example throwing out the safety car because someone has dropped his bike at one of the slowest corners at Ring Knutstorp. Simply pathetic.

Jimmy Magnusson · 26 Nov 2009, 11:18 (Ref:2589600)

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Originally Posted by rustyfan

I wasn't talking about Danish tracks in that particular paragraph

Just feel that there is no way for example Danish race officials would over-react as much as the Swedish ones did during this years' race meetings. The Superbike races in particular were pathetic, like for example throwing out the safety car because someone has dropped his bike at one of the slowest corners at Ring Knutstorp. Simply pathetic.

Oh, the handling of saftey cars has been pathetic in both countries for some time, but in different ways. Look at how Michael Carlsen's car was allowed to sit practically on the racing line, stationary, for several laps during the Djursland race. They pulled it away eventually, but it was an obvious saftey car situation. The way saftey is handled in Denmark perplexes me from time to time. Not that it's great here either, like last year at Falkenberg when there was an ambulance on a live racetrack. Get your act togeather, fellas!

stedevil · 29 Nov 2009, 06:38 (Ref:2591102)

S(w)TCC just released their 2010 calendar. Apart from S(c)TCC clashing 1 time with ETCC (June 4-6), there is 1 more clash with S(w)TCC and ETCC (July 9-11).

Is there anybody else than me that feels it's a bit sad that teams compeating in S(w)TCC and/or S(c)TCC will thus have to miss 1-2 races in either championship? Especially considering the time between these 2 events STCC has a summer holiday with no racing at all. :-/

I presume we will thus have no S(w)TCC teams at all participating in ETCC 2010.

JMeissner · 29 Nov 2009, 11:10 (Ref:2591173)

There are rumors of the ETCC calendar changing.

Remember that they were expected to release the exact tracks for ETCC at Macau, which never happened.

PorscheFanNo1 · 29 Nov 2009, 18:22 (Ref:2591309)

I do hope ETCC will change so it will fit with no clashes of STCC, BTCC and if possible DTC and other national series. If they dont, they have already failed miserably.

NaBUru38 · 29 Nov 2009, 21:58 (Ref:2591411)

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

I do hope ETCC will change so it will fit with no clashes of STCC, BTCC and if possible DTC and other national series. If they dont, they have already failed miserably.

2010 F1 season's 9-race European sprint starts in early May and ends in early September. That's around one race every two weeks. Since no major European championship wants to clash with F1, everybody will clash with each other the remaining weekends.

If we want two parallel championships (e.g. Scandinavian and European touring cars), the question is: who dares clash with F1? Not MotoGP (Valencia / Assen clash in 2010), not DTM (unknown 2010 calendar), not WTCC (Hungary / Brno and Abu Dhabi / Okayama clash in 2010), noy BTCC (no clash in 2010), not WSR (no clash)...

PorscheFanNo1 · 3 Dec 2009, 14:08 (Ref:2593423)

http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=4248
http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=4255

Race in Stockholm for 2011!

Speed-King · 3 Dec 2009, 14:16 (Ref:2593429)

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We have not finalized the track layout yet. We can not just run an oval race track, we need to run the track over the grassy infield as well," said Huzell.

WHY NOT???

duke_toaster · 3 Dec 2009, 15:40 (Ref:2593462)

Appendix O?

EDIT : Looking on Google Maps, this sounds a little silly ...

NaBUru38 · 3 Dec 2009, 17:33 (Ref:2593527)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

WHY NOT???

Safety? Room? According to Google Earth's rule tool (59º22'0" N 17º56'30" E), the oval's length is exactly 1km (5/8 miles for North Americans) and 12-15m wide. You can't put too many cars there.

THIM · 3 Dec 2009, 18:49 (Ref:2593563)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Safety? Room? According to Google Earth's rule tool (59º22'0" N 17º56'30" E), the oval's length is exactly 1km (5/8 miles for North Americans) and 12-15m wide. You can't put too many cars there.

So how the hell will they use "grassy infield"? It's enough space for karting circuit...

Speed-King · 3 Dec 2009, 19:33 (Ref:2593593)

If they want to stay inside the oval (and I think they'll have to) there's really not a lot of room, especially with the lake on the inside of the track.

DTM plans a race at the Olympia Stadium in Munich and wants to use a race-of-champions-style format.
I don't think that will be necessary for S(c)TCC, but perhaps they'll have to resort to heat races? Have two semi finals with 12-16 cars each, and then a finale with the eight best cars from each race? Perhaps keep full points for the qualifiers, so that the total amount of points one can win during the weekend is still 20?

stedevil · 4 Dec 2009, 06:33 (Ref:2593821)

TC race on a horsetrack? Are they going to remake it like they do with ROC? Hardly enviromental friendly to put down tons of asphalt and tear it all up again on a yearly basis...

JMeissner · 4 Dec 2009, 08:42 (Ref:2593849)

Name one sport that doesent affect the environment...

nickyf1 · 5 Dec 2009, 00:59 (Ref:2594281)

Cant they have a Dirt Oval race?

NaBUru38 · 5 Dec 2009, 01:29 (Ref:2594285)

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Originally Posted by nickyf1

Cant they have a Dirt Oval race?

Why not the Swedish Rallycross Championship?

stedevil · 5 Dec 2009, 02:15 (Ref:2594289)

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Originally Posted by JMeissner

Name one sport that doesent affect the environment...

Chess :P

But surely there must be a better alternative than the way ROC does it for a championship as well as an event highly profiling themselves on environmental care.

And what about the airfield that lies less than 1km to the south of the horsetrack??

JMeissner · 5 Dec 2009, 09:01 (Ref:2594342)

That is going to be turned in to an residential area.

**FIRE** · 5 Dec 2009, 11:53 (Ref:2594407)

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Originally Posted by nickyf1

Cant they have a Dirt Oval race?

stedevil · 5 Dec 2009, 13:01 (Ref:2594425)

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Originally Posted by JMeissner

That is going to be turned in to an residential area.

For sure it will, but when? The current lease for the airport runs til 2038. Gives a few years to run STCC there doesnt it?

JMeissner · 5 Dec 2009, 14:42 (Ref:2594458)

They have already moved in on certain areas of the airport, making it difficult for even the companies already established there.

But this discussion is beside the point, Solvalla seems to be happening and it could be really good.

PorscheFanNo1 · 5 Dec 2009, 15:09 (Ref:2594471)

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Originally Posted by JMeissner

But this discussion is beside the point, Solvalla seems to be happening and it could be really good.

From a spectator point of view yes, if they can get a decent layout. Gothenburg turned out nicely for the limited space they had and all the obstacles, I do hope Solvalla will be equally good. A layout similar to Ring Djursland would be possible, if the water wouldnt be there... With that untouched the only logical layout is to run an oval with some sort of chicane/complex on the backstraight.
My worst fears is that it will be even slower and twistier then Sturup, and thats not good!

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