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Yeah, that's the 1981 530 as driven by Jan Lammers (I think) among others. It has been rebuilt with a 525 engine to group 2 regs. Sadly though Group 2 ran centre locks and this doesn't which kind of makes it a replica. Very well put together and a nice car but not (IMO) worth 70k Euros.
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Blimey. somebody seems well informed. I think an E28 2.8 would be eligible for more classic touring car classes as the 3.5 wasn't made in the same amount. You could run with a 24 valve in several championships but you'd be in amongst the modified kit.
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Yes, that is an E12 - the sloping bootline is the best way of identifying it quickly - lovely car. In the process of selling (I have a buyer) my beloved E12 M535i which I've owned since 1997; still a great road car and will miss her like hell, but needs must! And still ridiculously undervalued for such a rare classic, sadly.
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Sorry not just on that. The fact it doesn't have its original mechanicals (although I realise it happened in period) means that it is not the original car. So, in my opinion it is a replica. Not sure but did it race as a group 2?
By the way i is very well put together. |
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Okay fair enough, we have different opinions on what a replica is, I accept that
Being a 1981 built car that would indicate it was a Gp.2 car (at least when it was first raced) The blurb also says the car is to Gp.2 specs. although the engine obviously isn't as you have stated, being a 3.5 on triple webers. I had a good nosey at it, and it was beautifully presented. |
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Hmm. I think it ran as a Gp1b car at Spa. At least that was what it was originally presented as and is what can be viewed on race cars direct and Frank De Yong's site. In which case it was a 530i. I gave it some serious thought but have plumped for something else. When this first came up there was a white 530i also for sale which had continuous history from 1979. It ran three(?) times at Spa failing to finish each time. In fact I think the jump cars were the most successful BMW of the era. However the white car was significantly less money. I think it has sold now.
I was looking in connection with the JD CLASSICS series so the jump car would have required returning to its as raced spec. |
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I have to agree that the E12 M535 is without doubt underrated, and very undervalued. it is probably the finest four door driver's car from the period, fabulously quick in standard form as the engine was revvier than the later version, matched well to the dogleg and LSD better than the E28 version, and very nimble indeed. perhaps the last of the great four-wheel-drift saloons. |
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There was an orange E28 used to race in the NW Sports & Saloons series about ten years ago. It was nicely built and ran with large arches and, I think, an E34 3.8 pushing over 400 horses - it was quick I seem to remember! I seem to remember seeing it advertised for sale a few years back - not sure where it ended up or what became of it after that.
I have an E28 M535i that I've been toying with the idea of racing for quite a few years now - it's part-prepped, cage fitted, etc - but that's as far as I've got with it due to racing other stuff in the meantime. Have thought it would make a good car for something like the six hours: powerful, unstressed (so, hopefully, reliable) engine with enough poke to be 'entertaining'; some decent stuff fitted as standard (CR dog-leg 'box, LSD, etc); cheap as chips (at least, they were when I bought mine - prices for nice ones are on the up nowadays); and finally, still plenty of lesser E28s around for peanuts (which share many mechanicals and most body panels), to provide cheap bits when you bend it! What's not to like? I'm sure there's a few places you can race one these days too, apart from the six hours. Future Classics springs to mind for starters... |
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In '79 to '81 the Juma team car ran (if it is the same car) as a 530i at the Spa 24hrs.
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Quick refresher.
For Group 1 and 2, the 530/530i model was homologated. For Group A it was the 528i No other '5' was homologated in Europe to the best of my knowledge. |
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Is it the case now though that if one examines the various historic saloon and road sports series, that one would only find cars that raced in period specification in europe under FIA papers, as a general precedent? I am very aware as someone who has run a TVR Griffith 200 for a client, whilst observing other such cars, that it is possible, if unchecked, for a car that wasn't really around much in period to potentially attempt to rewrite history if allowed. I just think it would be rather fun to have a period defined race that allows those vehicles that raced in particular championships across the world to be brought together, as long as the mass production build quantities and a good class structure define the groups. |
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Just having a read through this thread & am a bit confused, as the M535 was Homologated in Gp2 in 1981. So is this only about the standard models .
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They were, I'm fairly sure, quite rare E12 models never sold in the UK. There was an E12 M535i available in the UK (but very rare - only around 400 sold here?), and after that, the biggest engine available to UK buyers was the 528i.
But getting back on-topic with the E28, I think it's a tad unfair to call the M535i a parts-bin special. Whilst undoubtedly everything that came as standard equipment on an M535i was also available on the 635, in reality it was extremely rare to find a 635 fitted with all the stuff that was standard on a manual M535i - such as CR dog-leg 'box, LSD, M-tec suspension, etc. The reality was that most 635's were autos, and of the few manuals around, I seem to remember that most were fitted with the standard (non dog-leg) overdrive 'box, and few had the LSD. Very few came with everything that an M535i had as standard. Thus I would say that a manual M535i was much more of a driver's car than most 'sixes'. |
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