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17 Nov 2011, 14:50 (Ref:2987756) | #26 | ||
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17 Nov 2011, 15:00 (Ref:2987762) | #27 | ||
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National Saloon Car Championship cars????? 1993 (ish) to 2000. Group N+. Clearly not as quick as the Super Tourers but maybe quicker than the < 2 litre Group 1 cars?
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17 Nov 2011, 15:10 (Ref:2987774) | #28 | ||
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17 Nov 2011, 15:22 (Ref:2987778) | #29 | ||
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No they are not, but I am suggesting that they could be. Why not? A successful & important part of the UK motor racing scene
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If they have a problem with entries, surely it would be better to invite close period replicas of the older cars to fit the general spirit of the event as has been the case for similar racing in recent years?
Production spec cars won't cut much of a spectacle in with the Grp 2 and Grp A stuff! |
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17 Nov 2011, 22:05 (Ref:2987957) | #31 | ||
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Recieved the forms Jon,thank you. Been a slight change of plan though,now dont need to get a decent engine from Rik as the other car already has one This car has even more of a right to be on the grid.
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B. No one minded when the BTCC was short of entries in Yr 2000 onwards & they needed a Class B C. Probably no less spectacular than the Group 1 cars & probably more sophisticated & quicker, too. |
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18 Nov 2011, 14:41 (Ref:2988264) | #33 | ||
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I know inflation is bad at the moment but the increase from £600 to £1000 seems a bit stiff for 2 20min races. Mike
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On the other hand, 80's prodsaloons turned out on occasion in BTCC/ETC races, and as Andy said the Super Production cars (including Andy's Carina- is it the car Geoff Kimber-Smith drove in at least one BTCC round?) did run in the BTCC from 2000-2003ish, and are probably as quick or quicker than some Group 1 cars, or even smaller-capacity Group A cars. Any idea of comparitive laptimes? I'd certainly rather see original, authentic SP cars (particularly any that have actual BTCC history in the appropriate period) get a run if they're needed to fill out the grid than say, a highly-modified club racer that gets in as a 'replica' but actually would look more at home on a period Thundersaloon grid... |
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18 Nov 2011, 18:04 (Ref:2988351) | #36 | ||
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18 Nov 2011, 20:18 (Ref:2988448) | #37 | ||
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It's quite simple really...if we don't have 30 entry's by the end of November we don't race. If your not overly fussed at racing in one of the largest historic meeting's in Europe then don't enter. I personally feel it's a privilege to offered the chance so the entry fee is a lot of money but worth every penny. Jonny |
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18 Nov 2011, 20:58 (Ref:2988476) | #38 | ||
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Out of interest Jonny how many have registered so far and how many others have expressed intent?
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18 Nov 2011, 21:15 (Ref:2988484) | #39 | ||
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There's at least 3 very famous car's in there that haven't seen a circuit since they finished their competitive careers. |
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19 Nov 2011, 07:42 (Ref:2988658) | #40 | ||
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As anyone who's read the various 80's Group A threads over on 'motorsport history', a lot of these cars are still out there somewhere, and anything that can tempt owners to put them back on the track has to be a good thing... |
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19 Nov 2011, 10:36 (Ref:2988700) | #41 | ||
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19 Nov 2011, 12:29 (Ref:2988720) | #42 | ||
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Entry cost
I think the cost is down to the usual Silverstone seems to think it is the only major circuit in Europe and can charge what it likes. This to pay for all the fancy stuff that does not benefit the majority of racers. Mike
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19 Nov 2011, 14:00 (Ref:2988747) | #43 | ||
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Having previously raced at the Classic,it is still only a club event,all be it an over crowded one. Usual Silverstone trick!!!
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As for the cost v prestige, I'd agree with the guy who's promoting this effort, yes it is expensive but it is what it is and if one doesn't fancy that, go and do something else. As to the potential entry, my personal opinion is the super touring shouldn't be in a race with cars from the 80's and older let alone production/group n stuff. Too new imo. I hope the 3 original cars Jonny refers to are a bit more classic than these! |
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Well, I'm in two minds about that, although I guess I would prefer not to see the later cars in this particular race. On the other hand, if Jonny doesn't get his 30 entries we all lose; competitors and spectators alike!
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The Silvestone Classic is a commercially promoted meeting and the organisers should be concentrating on getting the best possible historic grids; not extracting the levels of entry fees that have been mentioned on here. I don't see any justification in talking about entry fees of circa £1000 for two sprint races in order for the organisers (not the HSCC!) to make a return on their investment. Once again, the competitors are expected to pay for the priviledge of entertaining the crowd, who have already paid to watch the event and therefore presumably contributing to the commercial success of the event. Greed will kill the Silverstone Classic?
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21 Nov 2011, 12:15 (Ref:2989567) | #47 | ||
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Spoken by someone who knows what he is talking about! Perhaps it would be for the better if the other consortium take over Silverstone Circuits Ltd!
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21 Nov 2011, 12:37 (Ref:2989577) | #48 | ||
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Hi JDog, PM sent regarding entry.
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Until then I can probably live with mixed grids- IIRC, the first couple of seasons of historic Group C saw grid numbers supported with an 'invitation' class for cars like older Group 6 Chevrons, early 90's GT cars etc |
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21 Nov 2011, 15:08 (Ref:2989633) | #50 | ||
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Very fair points about grid potential John and KA and also the entry costs johngee - I hadn't thought of it like that.
If the entry fee for these races was less rather than more, then it would be more of an incentive for people like Mike Newman or whoever to bring their cars out. On the other hand one could also say that the sort of people who own most of these things wouldn't have to worry about spending a grand here or there! |
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