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I think that you're right. The '96 Mclaren was a right lemon and Hakkinen was the firm Mclaren favourite so it's hard to see DC come to terms with him. If he had stayed at Williams he would've had great momentum to have a tilt at the '96 title. Yes, you can Coulthard to the list.
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In my view, JPM is one of the very top drivers in NASCAR, and for the sake of his own career should have been with an HMS, RFR, or JGR by now; however, his loyalty to Ganassi seems to have held him back. If only EGR was even a half-decent team.... |
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Very good point, when Ganasi has given Juan a decent car he has produced great races but the package has been too inconsistent to launch a full season charge. Very good point about loyalty as well
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I don't know whether DC staying on at Williams could have helped him. He did have the speed, but Hill seemed to have the upper hand in most races as he had more experience. I think one of Hill's weaknesses was that he wasn't that good at overtaking. If he ended up behind Schumi he tended to sit there(collisions not withstanding). Likewise Schumi making him look like at an amateur at Spa in 1995. |
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Jody Scheckter?
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Add Carlos Reutemann to this list. 1981 could have been his year.
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In reality 79 and 81 should have been Alan Jones' except for poor Williams reliability.
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Alberto Ascari was one who could have won more...moving to Lancia probably looked good at the time, especially as the D34 seemed to be a serious piece of kit, but he never even won a World Championship race after his second title...we were robbed of Fangio v Ascari and later Ascari v Moss.
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Tommy just didn't fit the mould for F1 regardless of being a fantastic talent. He was cheeky, often lazy with his commitment, and lacked the professionalism expected of a top driver IMO. He grew up though and has done well for himself over in the States and all credit to him..
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My nominees would be Emerson Fittipaldi and Stirling Moss, who has won fame as the best driver never to have won the title, but could easily have done so in 1958 and 1959.
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Barrichello could have won in 2002 if he had more luck in the 1st half of the season
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Schumacher: I think he was moving out of his prime as early as 2001. His last 1/4 of the season after 9/11 he seemed to totally lose his commitment. 9/11 really seemed to effect him and it took him a few races to recover. From 2002 on Barrichello was a bit closer. I don't really know if he would secured the title in 2007 had he stayed on. The argument is would he have outscored Raikkonen?
Alonso: I actually think Alonso could have won more titles. He narrowly missed out on 07, then wanked around with Renault in 08/09 when he could have been with a leading team - he easily would have won the title in 08. And again missed out on 2010 as the Ferrari wasn't quite the match of RBR. Vettel was unstoppable in 11 though. Hill vs DC: DC was faster than Hill once he got up to speed. It was impressive what Hill did in 93 alongside Prost, but Prost was well and truly past his best. So 96 would have been DC's year had he stayed at Williams. But he's been with plenty of leading teams in his career; Williams when they were #1, McLaren when they were #1. He didn't win any titles because he just wasn't world champion material. Neither was Hill - half the current 2011 field would have been champion in 96 in that Williams. Emerson Fittipaldi is a good choice, and Alan Jones. Obviously Senna might have had a few more years in him and would have taken 1994 and 1996. Not so sure about 1995 though. MS was good that year. Would he have still been around by 97/98 though, with 5-6 titles to his name? Actually Hakkinen may even have won more if he was in the right car a bit earlier in his career and didn't lose interest only a decade into his career. Pironi, Gilles Villenueve, Clarke as well if accidents didn't end their careers. |
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Re Schuey: not so sure he was past it by 2001, he really had to did deep in 2003 when Ferrari had a real job on against the Michelin shod Kimi and JPM.... Re Alonso: 2007 is the one that clearly got away and therefore it is easy to assume so did a number of subsequent years as the way it turned out at Woking wasn't in the script..... Re Hill v DC: Yes, totally with you, glad someone finally kind of sees what I meant!! Re Emmo: Probably if had stayed with McLaren. Re Senna: 94 no, but 95-97 he would've slaughtered allcomers! Re Hakkinen: One of the best drivers of his era and agreed he was worth far more than 2 titles. |
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Well I think DC had far more potential but it got squandered and not necessarily by him. He made some daft mistakes early on but the pressure stepping in for Senna must've been immense, Damon was wiser and therefore handled it a bit better.
Damon on the other hand was mega quick 'on his own' some of his F3000 drives were phenomenal in 1990 (even though reliability was a problem), but i'm also pretty sure the Tickford tuned DFV in his Lola was some kind of one-off..... I mean he was up against some serious opposition that year! |
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JACKIE STEWART!!!!!
...3 championships in only 5 years in F1....IF he continuted could he have had more titles??? probably....... ....or did he escape soon enough with his life....dangerous times back then |
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