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Part of benefiting motor sport is giving it exposure to expand its reach. You guys talking about Wakefield reminds me of Buttonwillow and Willow Springs, which are both not that far away from L.A., but who's actually heard of them? Unless you're already into cars and racing, you haven't. I'll bet plenty of readers of Road & Track even, which uses those California tracks for testing, would draw a blank about those tracks if you asked them in passing. At least people know that Long Beach exists, even if they never go.
You also mentioned that you might as well head on to a track in the Sydney area if you're going far enough to get out to Wakefield. With those two tracks in California, they're far enough out that too many people would likely think it too much of a pain to go out there to watch a race for them to be viable for big events. Also, I just see ZERO chance at present for either Buttonwillow or Willow Springs to get the upgrades that would be desired for them to be considered for events in ALMS, Grand-Am, or IndyCar. And a final note, which probably comes out of the American perspective. That is, a small part of me asks, if a permanent road course is truly viable, why should it need public funds for upgrades or an extension? If it matters enough to the track management and fans, why can't they just "make it happen" themselves? Road America and Lime Rock have both made major changes in recent years, and i'm not aware of public funding for those projects. |
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From memory, the original canberra track was designed to achieve two things:
Therefore, run an end of year event out at hume. Tralee... Beee theerrreee! |
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The condition of the roads is the responsibility of the local/state government because it services the general public. The governments then hire out the track/facilities to event promoters and part of their responsibility is to ensure they're suitable for the purpose. The local governments also get the economic benefit of having the events (particularly the larger ones, like the Bathurst 1000). |
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I'm aware of the nature of Bathurst as a road circuit dating back to the 1930s, but that does NOT provide an answer regarding the permanent tracks. That is, what about Barbagallo, Hidden Valley, Winton, Sandown, Queensland, Philip Island, Symmons Plains, and Eastern Creek? Are those not privately-held, permanent facilities?
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I can't recall if the event (s) were held on a long weekend or not however the Public bludgers were not overly inconvenienced as there was plenty of warning about road closures where delays were minimal and it's not like they would have needed their arm twisted to take an extra day off anyway.
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If you close off one car park and restrict the roads (i.e. put in a closure) for even only 1 day... that is enough for the complaints.
I didn't complain. And my job back then was still in walking distance and my normal drive to work was interrupted. But there were options. You just had to use an ounce of common sense to see them. Apparantly that was lacking with the pubic serpents... |
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Rather than resurrect a failed event from a decade ago, why not put the money to better use like resurrect ing the idea that was proposed in the early 80s for a permanent circuit in Canberra (the original goal was the AGP)
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Put a carbon levy on it
It'lll never happen
Bob Brown will insist on solar powered cars And Julia will deny there was ever a race there and if there was a race, she was never made aware of it. So i suggest we send it to China |
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Having said that, is there a horse racing track that could be converted/modernised ala Sandown to create a combined sporting precinct? |
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Something like Warwick Farm in your thinking GTR. The outline of some of the track is still there.
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Horse racing dont use their tracks every single week for racing, morning trackwork not withstanding, while motor racing dont use them that regularly either... You could use common grandstands, hospitality areas, carparks, comfort stop amenities and the like... So.. who has the vision.. ? |
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I don't visit often...
I think I originally joined to be able to access the search function... and was back looking recently looking for Group C and E RX7 info. Back on topic, if I recall correctly back in the Fraser era there was talk of a dedicated track a bit north of Canberra but that kind of thing couldn't get any traction now due to the NIMBY's noise complaints and the Govt who during the GMC event insisted on large tourist revenue return for their contribution - apparently putting something for the locals isn't good enough, you have to fill premium hotel beds. The inability to relocate the dragstrip due to noise concerns by a vocal minority in the next valley, and ongoing noise problems with the existing motorsport precinct and its over the border neighbours pretty much prevent anything substantial happening again. Pity they will not build the roads for the new suburbs then run circuit racing on them before the houses go up like they did at Macarthur back in the late seventies and early eighties woohoo! doubled my post count! |
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Summernats has been cancelled to 2022 and is held in the same general area...the new track could work if the cars can make it through all the South Sydney tape! (Red and Green!)...
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