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Old 1 Jul 2002, 23:58 (Ref:325518)   #26
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World Sportscar - that's easy: look at Gp.C (pre 3.5l), lose the roof, and voilá!
heh ... id rather have the 3.5 cars with a 50/50 spilt between roofs and non-roofs. i swimg ether way but im pickery when it comes to closed top cars. /me loves the 02 r8

insted of 3.5na, a 4l mix of na and turbo with turboos being prefered.
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Old 2 Jul 2002, 05:18 (Ref:325589)   #27
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That's not the point I was trying to make...
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Old 2 Jul 2002, 05:20 (Ref:325590)   #28
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A Porsche 917 has a roof.
A Ford GT40 has a roof.
A Ferrari 250GTO has a roof.
Those are all GTs. Prototypes with a roof - naah...
The current LMP cars - with F1 style cockpit - are the bestlooking prototypes ever.
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Old 2 Jul 2002, 05:21 (Ref:325591)   #29
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insted of 3.5na, a 4l mix of na and turbo with turboos being prefered.
Well then they aren't the 3.5 cars anymore, right? Besides, Gp.C before that had NO engine limits whatsoever (5l turbo for Mercedes, 7.5l V12 for Jag...)
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Old 2 Jul 2002, 05:57 (Ref:325598)   #30
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yeah, i just meant the same basic rules execpt with a little bit more displacement. plus rotarys
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Old 2 Jul 2002, 08:56 (Ref:325686)   #31
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Those are all GTs. Prototypes with a roof - naah...
The current LMP cars - with F1 style cockpit - are the bestlooking prototypes ever.
NO WAY!!!!

The Porsche 956/962 was the best looking car EVER!!!!

And the other Group C cars were gorgeous too!

And the racing was pretty good too.


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Old 2 Jul 2002, 11:56 (Ref:325803)   #32
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The Porsche 956/962 was the best looking car EVER!!!!
That's true - esp. the K8...

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Old 2 Jul 2002, 12:01 (Ref:325805)   #33
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NO WAY!!!!

The Porsche 956/962 was the best looking car EVER!!!!

And the other Group C cars were gorgeous too!

And the racing was pretty good too.
Not completely agree, Paul, sorry ; I like the fight between LMP and LM-GTP... the problem is there's too few GTP nowadays...

Looking for the 1999' race, it was fun to see race with open and roofed cars... I prefer roofed cars myself, but it's sad when there's only one kind of car... I like diversity !

And the best looking car ever was for me the dramatic CLR...

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That's true - esp. the K8...


Ok, Ok I can't convince you otherwise....
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As a Jaguar fan, I thought the Jags were good looking cars, in all there different types, including when they became Mazda and Porsche in the case of the XJR14. The TWR Porsche (XJR14 with Porsche engine and no roof) even won Le Mans twice!
As far as the Porsche 956/962 being the best looking car ever I don't know the problem with them, is like the Ford Escort evry **** had one, but the variety in the different body styles and paint jobs make them very good. I do have a lot of 956/962's in my collection, unfortunately there all models!!!!!
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Back to the calendar:

If the WSC is to supercede ALMS, I think it should split its time between continents (I'll include Kyalami in Europe, if you'll include Interlagos or Buenos Aires in North America ). Is Australia good for more than one race?

Forget Daytona; the France family won't bring it into the fold until the ALMS buries GARRA or dies itself.

There used to be the 6h of the Glen on the WSC, but so long as IMS owns that track as well, why not move it to Road America? Or Mosport, or Ste Jovite, or Laguna Seca, etc.

So I'd propose:

3 races in Europe
3 races in North America
1 in South Africa
1 in South America
2 in Austalasia

... and Le Mans (which is in the world).

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... and Le Mans (which is in the world).
Well, let's consider consider our martian and plutionan friends for a while, and let's say the "universe", at least for the middle of june, don't you think ?
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NO WAY!!!!

The Porsche 956/962 was the best looking car EVER!!!!

And the other Group C cars were gorgeous too!

And the racing was pretty good too.


ive found most of the pre 3.5l cars of group c were rather bland and ugly. the best closed top car wouold have to be the 98/99 gt-one followed by the 92/93 905, 98 911 gt1, and the various versions of the mclaren f1.
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Well, let's consider consider our martian and plutionan friends for a while, and let's say the "universe", at least for the middle of june, don't you think ?
True enough. Just wanted to say that, well, if the Romans had've had cars, all roads would lead to Le Mans.
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Australia 1000km (i'm trying to think of a suitable track, apart from Bathurst and Adelaide)
Hmmm...

Sandown? That's the best I cant think of, shame it's a bit uninspiring and short, but it's in Melbourne and it's got a bit of history, so why not. Philip Island is too narrow, Eastern Creek too dull, Oran Park doesn't have the facilities, Winton, Hidden Valley, Calder, Lakeside, Mallala are all out of the question. Canberra?
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Just wanted to say that, well, if the Romans had've had cars,...
what do you mean IF - you forgot the Mille Miglia!
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Seems the FIA wants to reduce engine power by 10%... - if the ACO goes along with this it'll be a HUGE step back.

If F1 isn't good enough, we'll just make everything else worse, right?
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The current Lemans / ALMS system is great. All we need to do is to even up the open and closed cars and remove the flat bottoms to improve safety and leave things be. It won't happen but FIA and ALMS and ACO should all adopt the same rules and run a full world series with 10 - 12 races of varying lengths from 3hrs to 24 (leMans). LeMans should be the pinnacle and should score double points. If this was done there would be a lot more interest from manufacturers.
All hypothetical I know but sureley the burearocrats can see that running numerous similar but different series and rules badly affects the category - just look at whats happened to open wheel racing in the States
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All hypothetical I know but sureley the burearocrats can see that running numerous similar but different series and rules badly affects the category - just look at whats happened to open wheel racing in the States

Unfortunately there is to many people with big fat wallets who want more money, and don't care about the fans or the sport!!!!
Besides that the FIA want to control and put down any series which is better than formula 1
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Sorry Mal i nicked your last statement, i did mean to quote you.
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The current Lemans / ALMS system is great. All we need to do is to even up the open and closed cars and remove the flat bottoms to improve safety and leave things be.
100% spot on.
It's not going to happen, though.
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100% spot on.
It's not going to happen, though.
Why not?
The FIA prototype sports car series is ailing, the FIA sportscar series is looking a little better but lacks any type of promoton.
The ACO/ALMs series is a little better.
If the FIA adopted the ALMs rules (increase the power by 10%) then merged prototypes with the FIA sportscar races at least the grids would be better in europe. Oh and PROMOTE it.
The way things are at present everyone will wobble with small grids *****ing about the other series and trying to nick teams from each other.
Above all, costs need to be controled the the promotion needs to be better.
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I still like the idea of a hillclimb but the Targa would be better!
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Why not?
Because it would make sense.
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Bring back real road races... the Mille Miglia and Targa Florio!
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Road races would be fantastic, but how many road courses have got the standard of tarmac that Le Mans and Spa have.
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