Uncrowned Sportscar Champions

[krt917]

Thanks eldougo, will do!

[krt917]

Just the one year this time - 1975:

1. Arturo Merzario 64pts (4 wins-Dijon, Monza, Enna, Nurb)
=2. Henri Pescarolo 42pts (3 wins-Spa, Ost'Ring, W.Glen)
=2. Derek Bell (as above)
4. Jacques Laffite 30pts (3 wins - Dijon, Monza, Nurb.)

[John Turner]

Yes, I'm still waiting for 1965!!!

[krt917]

Oh, if I'd brought the list with me I could have put it on. In the meantime, here's 1976 and 1977:

1976 (Championship for Makes - ie. silhouettes!)
=1st. Jacky Ickx 34pts (3 wins - Mugello, Vallelunga, Dijon)
=1st. Jochen Mass 34pts (as above)
3. Dieter Quester 23pts (2 wins - Nurburgring, Osterreichring)

1976 (Championship for Sports Cars)
1. Jochen Mass 50pts (5 wins - Monza, Imola, Enna, Dijon, Salzburgring)
2. Jackie Ickx 40pts (4 wins - Monza, Imola, Mosport, Dijon)
3. Reinhold Jost 27pts (1 win - Nurburgring)

Note: At the Nurburgring and Mosport, cars that were not eligible for points finished in the top 6. for these tables, I have excluded them and given the first eligible cars the points. eg. Oliver and Follmer (in Can-Am cars) finished 1-2 at Mosport, but I have given the 10 points to Ickx (3rd) in the Porsche 936. This does not affect the finishing positions shown above.

1977 (Championship for Makes)
1. Bob Wollek 40pts (2 wins - Mosport, Hockenheim)
=2. Jacky Ickx 30pts (3 wins - Silverstone, W. Glen, Brands)
=2. Jochen Mass 30pts (as above)
4. Rolf Stommelen 24pts (2 wins - Mugello, Nurburgring)

1977 (Championship for Sports Cars)
1. Arturo Merzario 52pts (4 wins - Dijon, Enna, Estoril, Paul Ricard)
2. Vittorio Brambilla 46pts (4 wins - Monza, Vallelunga, Imola, Salzburgring)
3. Giorgio Francia 24pts

[krt917]

Almost there now!

1978
1. Toine Hezemans 46pts (4 wins -Daytona, Mugello, Nurb., W.Glen).
=2. Bob Wollek 40pts (3 wins - Dijon, Misano, Vallelunga).
=2. Henri Pescarolo 40pts (as above).

1979
1. Bob Wollek 36pts (3 wins - Mugello, Silverstone, Nurb.)
2. Klaus Ludwig 32pts (2 wins - Le Mans, W.Glen).
3. John Fitzpatrick 30 (s 3 wins - as Wollek).

1980
1. Riccardo Patrese 41pts (3 wins - Brands, Mugello, W.Glen)
2. Jurgen Barth 35pts (2 wins - Nurb., Dijon).
3. Eddie Cheever 29pts (1 win - Mugello).

[John Turner]

And 1965? Too difficult?

[Patrese256]

Originally posted by krt917
1980
1. Riccardo Patrese 41pts (3 wins - Brands, Mugello, W.Glen)

This makes up in some way for the disappointment of 1982.

Incidentally, Autosport produced unofficial driver standings for 1980 as follows:

1 Riccardo Patrese 94
2 Jurgen Barth 88
3 Walter Rohrl 72
4 Alain de Cadenet 56
Eddie Cheever 56
6 John Fitzpatrick 55
Michele Alboreto 55
8 Desire Wilson 52
Brian Redman 52
10 John Paul Snr 44

[krt917]

Thanks Patrese256, I wonder what system they used!?

OK, at last - I've got the 1965 results with me. The delay was caused by the number of top 6 finishers, in various rounds, that were ineligible for points. These included two winners; the Hall/Sharp Chaparral at Sebring, and the Hulme Brabham BT8 at the TT. For the below list, these have been left out, so that 10 points is awarded to the McLaren/Miles GT40 at Sebring and Sir John Whitmore's Cobra at the TT (who actually finished fourth!). I have only the top 6 FINISHERS at the moment, so not all points-SCORERS have been recorded (yet!!), but here are the results so far:

1. Jean Guichet 26pts (2 wins - Monza, Reims).
2. Ken Miles 24pts (2 wins - Daytona, Sebring).
=3. Mike Parkes 22pts (1 win - Monza).
=3. John Surtees 22pts (1 win - Nurburgring).

So there it is, all the seasons of the World Sportscar championship (and other names that it ran under!) before there was a drivers title.

[paulzinho]

Blimey! Thanks for that, makes for some pretty interesting reading, you must have spent an age doing that!

[krt917]

Thanks paulzinho, it did take a while, but I like list-making (sad I know) and it was a nice break from uni work!

Anyway, to make life easier, here's a summary list of all the Uncrowned Champions:

1953 - Farina
1954 - Maglioli/Trintignant
1955 - Moss
1956 - Moss/Castellotti
1957 - Collins
1958 - Hill, P
1959 - Moss/Fairman
1960 - Gendebien
1961 - Gendebien
1962 - Gendebien
1963 - Mairese/Bandini
1964 - Hill, G
1965 - Guichet
1966 - Miles
1967 - Amon
1968 - Herrmann
1969 - Siffert
1970 - Rodriguez/Kinnunen
1971 - Rodriguez
1972 - Ickx
1973 - Pescarolo/Larrousse
1974 - Jarier
1975 - Merzario
1976 (Makes) - Ickx/Mass
1976 (Sports) - Mass
1977 (Makes) - Wollek
1977 (Sports) - Merzario
1978 - Hezemans
1979 - Wollek
1980 - Patrese

That's it, all done. I hope some of you found this interesting!!

[Patrese256]

Originally posted by krt917
Thanks Patrese256, I wonder what system they used!?

It was based on the old sportscar points scoring system (20-15-12-10-8-6 etc) applied to the top finishers, irrespective of class, in the 11 events making up the WC of Makes.

[jlw]

Hi all,
Have you tried using the system that I developed in my book?
Cheers,
Janos

[D-Type]

Originally Posted by krt917

Thanks Patrese256, I wonder what system they used!?

OK, at last - I've got the 1965 results with me. The delay was caused by the number of top 6 finishers, in various rounds, that were ineligible for points. These included two winners; the Hall/Sharp Chaparral at Sebring, and the Hulme Brabham BT8 at the TT. For the below list, these have been left out, so that 10 points is awarded to the McLaren/Miles GT40 at Sebring and Sir John Whitmore's Cobra at the TT (who actually finished fourth!). I have only the top 6 FINISHERS at the moment, so not all points-SCORERS have been recorded (yet!!), but here are the results so far:

1. Jean Guichet 26pts (2 wins - Monza, Reims).
2. Ken Miles 24pts (2 wins - Daytona, Sebring).
=3. Mike Parkes 22pts (1 win - Monza).
=3. John Surtees 22pts (1 win - Nurburgring).

So there it is, all the seasons of the World Sportscar championship (and other names that it ran under!) before there was a drivers title.

If you need results you will find them at http://wsrp.ic.cz/

Oh, and don't forget Ed Hugus in 1965

[jlw]

Thanks. I meant the system that I developed for "Time and Two Seats" It was published in 1999 and has everyone covered through 1998.

[John Turner]

Janos, your post is a timely reminder that I have been intending to acquire a copy of your 'bible', so I have just ordered a copy. However, until received it I will not know how close, or otherwise, KRT917's findings are to yours, or how similar or dissimilar the method of calculating it!

Anyone wishing to get hold of 'Time and Two Seats' needs to act quickly, I guess. It's been out of print a long time and is already commanding a 'collector's' value.

[jlw]

Thanks. Don't know where the rumors keep popping up that it's out of print. There are still a few dozen copies floating about between my stock and various dealers. You can contact me privately for details about acquiring from me--though it's not necessarily cheaper or quicker than through dealers.

As to the differences, haven't really read through all the details above. I applied a "Can-Am" system of 20-15-12-10 etc. for the top 10 finishers for each race, with certain technicalities as spelled out in Chapter VI.

Enjoy,
Janos