helmet visors - Page 2

kickstart · 22 Mar 2004, 23:27 (Ref:915836)

Without the use of a tinted visor, in sunny weather one would be forced to wear sunglasses in the helmet, which may well be made from a metal frame and the lens may well be glass. That must be much more dangerous and would also prevent medics etc looking into the drivers eyes.
I have never heard such a load of old codswallop in 20 years.

woodyracing · 23 Mar 2004, 10:10 (Ref:916235)

it sounds like most people agree with me on this one, question is what should I do about it ?

JustinDawkins · 23 Mar 2004, 10:11 (Ref:916236)

http://paulsands.org/sil200304/som/slides/IMG_1103.html

See if you can see my eyes! Never had a word from the scrute about it - even if it was raining when he checked it (needless to say I changed ot for the rain!)

ss_collins · 23 Mar 2004, 10:43 (Ref:916266)

aye but the scrute is in the daly systems car chasing you....

kickstart · 23 Mar 2004, 11:55 (Ref:916345)

Woodyracing, the answer I suspect is for you to try racing in France and leave the jobsworth's where they belong.

Richy_Rich · 23 Mar 2004, 12:00 (Ref:916350)

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Originally posted by verglas
There was an interesting thread here last year about some poor guy who had horrendous problems with a roadsports Triumph that was taken exception to by the powers that be

Hey! That was me...

JustinDawkins · 23 Mar 2004, 12:43 (Ref:916411)

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Originally posted by ss_collins
aye but the scrute is in the daly systems car chasing you....

Andy Roberts · 23 Mar 2004, 12:51 (Ref:916420)

I got questionned numerous times about my dark tint or blue cara coat visor with them saying we can't see you eyes so its not safe, or you can't make out the colour flags!

All I said was fine, I'll come through Coram at 110mph, get blinded by the sun, close my eyes and miss not only the flags but the corner as well, by using my clear visor. Amazing how quick they suddenly changed my mind.

Just get them to quote the actual rule that states you can't use it and it falls flat on its face.

JimW · 23 Mar 2004, 12:56 (Ref:916428)

Speaking as a rescue crew member, I'm not impressed by the argument about not being able to see the driver's eyes. If a driver is unresponsive, then I'm going to open the visor pdq anyway. (And the helmet will come off next if there is space).

As for the flag signals, I though these shiny visors still gave good colour rendition anyway?

Regards

Jim

JustinDawkins · 23 Mar 2004, 12:57 (Ref:916432)

Essentially the shiny visors are no different to look through than s tinted one, its onl the other way that they look different. Its safer in bright sunlight to use a tinted one.

Richy_Rich · 23 Mar 2004, 13:02 (Ref:916437)

Er, I think someone did earlier - "No Q11 states that only clear or nuetral density? visors are allowed. " (ss_colins)

I think, though, looking at it from a scrutes point of view they can't be expected to know everything that is in the blue book - ok they have a copy to hand but even still, imagine how long the queues would be if they started at section K or whatever and worked their way through. I suspect they probably read it on the bog and go, 'oh, only clear visors, eh? I'll remember that for tommorow...

jminsh · 23 Mar 2004, 13:16 (Ref:916458)

The Head Tech guy from the MSA came and gave us training at DT ref racewear a couple of years ago when some scrutes had bee's in their bonnets with this issue .I asked what the score was and he said that as long as the driver can define the colours of flags there's no prob with irridium !!

JohnMiller · 23 Mar 2004, 13:19 (Ref:916460)

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Originally posted by ss_collins
aye but the scrute is in the Daly Systems car chasing you....

Yeah, but he had a plan for when that happened.

woodyracing · 23 Mar 2004, 13:32 (Ref:916477)

in my iridium, you dont see the blue at all. Its just like wearing sun glasses, and not very strong ones at that. I can see colours no problem.

JustinDawkins · 23 Mar 2004, 14:27 (Ref:916533)

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Originally posted by JohnMiller
Yeah, but he had a plan for when that happened.

Yeah yeah! I was waiting for that one! R u doing Don?

JimW · 23 Mar 2004, 14:54 (Ref:916566)

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Originally posted by woodyracing
in my iridium, you dont see the blue at all. Its just like wearing sun glasses, and not very strong ones at that. I can see colours no problem.

But we've always complained that drivers don't see the blue flag.

Or do you mean that it is the blue of the visor that is not seen? Doh - sorry its been a slow day here.

Regards

Jim

scrutineer · 23 Mar 2004, 15:45 (Ref:916627)

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I think you'll find that the reasoning behind non-tinted visors is so that you don't get the flag colours mixed up.

Well done Sheila you have hit the nail on the head, when you all turn up with your tinted visor the scrutineer should look through the visor at colours that reflect the flags and if it makes no change then I would have no problem with it, however if it does then you cant use it. However as it has been said there is a reg that states that you cant use them so if your told no then you cant really argue.

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my guess is that you have come across yet another 'jobsworth' scrute, they do exist and you just have to learn how to play the game with them, no matter how irritating it might be at the time. There was an interesting thread here last year about some poor guy who had horrendous problems with a roadsports Triumph that was taken exception to by the powers that be in the scrutes dept. Consistency? Forget it!!

Be carefull what you say, the car in question's driver is a member of this board so when this happened you only had his side of the story. And although not the scrutineer who checked this car I did see it, I also hear him say 'I did know about it and I was going to get it fixed' the real question is if he knew about it why didnt he get it fixed. In this case it was very bad and should the car have had a impact there may have been some serious injury. This matter went to the clerk and he upheld the scrutineers finding.

Richy_Rich · 23 Mar 2004, 16:01 (Ref:916648)

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Originally posted by scrutineer
I also hear him say 'I did know about it and I was going to get it fixed' the real question is if he knew about it why didnt he get it fixed.

Hey! I never said that. I said on this board that there were a couple of things that needed tidying up...

Either way, that decision cost me the championship, not to mention travel expenses etc.

That part of the car is now welded up like a good-un, so I don't expect any more trouble

I've even put a whole bunch of brand new stuff in the car for this year - FIA seats, new harness etc. etc.

scrutineer · 23 Mar 2004, 16:05 (Ref:916654)

Well done look forward to seeing it at some point his year, however if this had been done before you would have the championship last year, that is of course if you had finished/won.
However this has nothing to do with the question of visors

woodyracing · 23 Mar 2004, 16:06 (Ref:916655)

There are no colour problems when using my visor. If I couldn't see the flags clearly I wouldn't want to use it.
Anyway the scrutineer in question didn't make reference to flags and colour, only the fact that he cant see my face.

Problem is, if I cant use it,
a) why do other people use them? and
b) why are they sold if we cant?

some consistancy would be nice.

JohnMiller · 23 Mar 2004, 16:08 (Ref:916658)

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Originally posted by JustinDawkins
Yeah yeah! I was waiting for that one! R u doing Don?

Nope, can't do it. Doing Mono 1800 (Zetec) at Silverstone on 3rd April instead, before the first Mallory FF1600 round.

scrutineer · 23 Mar 2004, 16:14 (Ref:916663)

They are sold because people will buy them. You can also buy helmets that done conform to MSA standards but you can still buy them so why are they sold? maybe because people outside the racing community want to use them, its a case of you have to read the rules before buying anything.

woodyracing · 23 Mar 2004, 16:43 (Ref:916695)

thing is, we see a lot of racers using dark tinted or iriduim visors.

brickkicker · 23 Mar 2004, 17:11 (Ref:916731)

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thing is, we see a lot of racers using dark tinted or iriduim visors.

You do know that you can think for yourself? If you see someone crash do you do it as well (no replys from stock Hatch drivers

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Richy_Rich · 23 Mar 2004, 17:25 (Ref:916750)

As far as I know they (dark tinted or iridium visors) are illegal for road use as well. I remember watching a bike programme about it where they interviewed a motorcycle policeman and he was saying that although they can be essentially safer in certain circumstances (low sun etc.) they were still technically against the law, although personally he wouldn't do anything about it if he saw people using them he couldn't speak on behalf of other policemen.

I guess the situation is about the same here - depends what the individual scruitineer on the day feels is best/safest and despite the rules some decisions are going to be subjective.

Why don't you get a clear visor as well and then if you ever get pulled up you've at least got the option?

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