GP2 Versus International F3000 - Page 2

oziengineer · 11 Oct 2004, 09:13 (Ref:1120897)

Not bad, thanks guys, looks like an interesting series. Also, I recieved word, direct from the horse's mouth that Arden Competition would be competing in the GP2 series.

Russfeld · 11 Oct 2004, 10:46 (Ref:1120939)

Dallara is a spec-series winner, nothing impressive there.

Kicking-back · 11 Oct 2004, 10:51 (Ref:1120943)

Ah, but Russfeld, Dallara are Italian which to some means they must be better than the British Lola.....

Mathias · 11 Oct 2004, 12:01 (Ref:1121024)

Sid The Manager · 11 Oct 2004, 16:34 (Ref:1121205)

most drivers I know would rather drive A dallara chassis than A lola.

Kicking-back · 11 Oct 2004, 16:49 (Ref:1121223)

Why?

Sid The Manager · 11 Oct 2004, 17:11 (Ref:1121246)

Lolas tend to be very solid and heavy, as in the most part have come from Champ car type thinking or have been in a spec series (3000, Nippon etc) generally the Dallaras have come from a "competitive" series and are that much better to drive and work with. F3 isn't a spec series remember its juat so far the Dallara is the best, it just seems like a spec series

Russfeld · 11 Oct 2004, 17:41 (Ref:1121265)

The dallara is the easiest to be competitive with, its not by any measure the best.

The Scrutineer · 11 Oct 2004, 17:42 (Ref:1121267)

We can discuss the merits of Lola and Dallara all night long.Both have
manufacturing pedigree in the production racing car world that is beyond question and both produce fine racing cars in many differing arenas.What we want to see is top level close racing with full grids one step below F1!!We need to see 24 cars covered by less than 2.5 seconds and any of 10 drivers able to win!!So look no further than GP2!!

Russfeld · 11 Oct 2004, 17:56 (Ref:1121283)

Indeed, with all of 0 entries and 0 cars, a cracking season awaits.

Sid The Manager · 11 Oct 2004, 18:03 (Ref:1121289)

saucer of milk for Russfeld (he's got a point though)

strider · 11 Oct 2004, 18:04 (Ref:1121290)

Why do I get the impression that you're a bit cynical about all this, Russfeld?

Kicking-back · 11 Oct 2004, 19:19 (Ref:1121352)

At this stage, GP2, Superfund, Renault World Series, Euro F3 and many more series all have no confirmed entries for next year.

F3000 had no confirmed entries this time last year and still had a season in 2004.

Russfeld · 12 Oct 2004, 04:03 (Ref:1121757)

F3's natural state is to continue on for another season unless we see a reason not for it to continue.

Renault World Series and Superfund are slightly different in that we have a vague idea of whats going on next year and each organiser is still making noise.

GP2 has gone silent since Montagny tested the car.

Alfonso de Orleans · 12 Oct 2004, 07:09 (Ref:1121815)

It is my feeling that next week should produce an avalanche of news in regards to GP2.

Russfeld · 12 Oct 2004, 08:15 (Ref:1121844)

Hope so, some friends are waiting to see if they get the media deal for the series.

climb · 12 Oct 2004, 09:02 (Ref:1121876)

Quote:

Originally posted by Russfeld
The dallara is the easiest to be competitive with, its not by any measure the best.

Obviously Russ, since when the most competitive car is the best in motorsport?

Russfeld · 12 Oct 2004, 10:21 (Ref:1121934)

Danny Watts on a pretty **** budget managed to make the Lola look good on occasion. If the F3 field was split 50-50 Lola/Dallara a lot less Dallara winning would be going on.

Kicking-back · 12 Oct 2004, 10:31 (Ref:1121945)

Quote:

Originally posted by Russfeld

GP2 has gone silent since Montagny tested the car.

Allan McNish has been testing it several times in the last few weeks.

Several major announcements from GP2 are imminent.

climb · 13 Oct 2004, 06:31 (Ref:1122898)

Quote:

Originally posted by Russfeld
Danny Watts on a pretty **** budget managed to make the Lola look good on occasion. If the F3 field was split 50-50 Lola/Dallara a lot less Dallara winning would be going on.

Of course Russ, but, tell me, why isn't the field evenly shared?

Dallara conquered the british championship in 4 months, and they started running a backfield driver (certainly not as good as Watts) and a backfield team.
After two years what has Lola really achieved, despite Dome's massive efforts?
They have abandoned that partnership and will start their own project: best wishes, but let me say that, normally it takes a higher determination to success.

Back to topic, it's clear that a monomake series is governed by different rules, but I still repeat that from what I could see, GP2 is way better looking than F3000, it didn't take much indeed.

Zandbak · 26 Oct 2004, 17:34 (Ref:1136868)

Quote:

Originally posted by Kicking-back

Several major announcements from GP2 are imminent.

Well the latest story on italiaracing.net isn't that positive. Some teams like Carlin and Signature said no to the invitation. The race at Monte Carlo goes to the World Series by Renault........

And during testing they discovered some severe engine trouble.........

Anybody else some news?

Kicking-back · 26 Oct 2004, 19:17 (Ref:1136992)

Italiaracing.net is probably speculating wildly because it's not got any concrete news to go on.

World Series by Renault takes over the FRV6 race at Monaco - the F3000 slot is still there for GP2.

Allan McNish did hundreds of laps of reliable testing with the new car too.

And as there's no public confirmation - yet - of the teams involved, it means nothing to say Team X or Y isn't doing it.

sceptic · 26 Oct 2004, 20:55 (Ref:1137073)

Quote:

Originally posted by Kicking-back
Italiaracing.net is probably speculating wildly because it's not got any concrete news to go on.

They've been doing a lot of that recently.

Yesterday they ran a story that Arden had signed Lopez and Kovalainen for next year.

The story was clearly made up, and when it started to propogate elsewhere, Arden issued a statement to that effect.

It hasn't stopped italiaracing.net from effectively repeating the story today.

skyblue · 5 Nov 2004, 10:54 (Ref:1145436)

there's no getting away from the fact that compared to any other professional sport, motor-racing looks a little bit like a local knitting club.

What other sport that requires each participant to produce 800K-1.3m Euro in 4 months time would have 'no news', 'no regulations', 'no media deal' etc., at this time.

When you look at this sort or organisation from a sponsorship viewpoint, it's a farce. There's no series profile, no marketing and no buzz. In the marketing world Gp2 does not exist. Guess what? It's already way too late for serious new company sponsorship to be found.

This means that any good driver who needs sponsosrship is going to struggle so as usual we'll be left with half a grid of fairly useless well-off grid fillers.

Frankly this organisation is appalingly bad and totally amateurish. The focus on the car alone and the lateness of all other aspects speaks of petrol-head management that is oblivious to the real commercial world we live in.

skyblue · 5 Nov 2004, 10:59 (Ref:1145437)

I meant that the other half of the gird will be good drivers. Oh and I HOPE Im wrong about all of this.

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