Bizarre: "drivers vote 19:1 for Schu apology for Heidfeld crash" - Page 2

ralf fan · 19 Mar 2005, 11:50 (Ref:1255930)

The article is based on an interview from an "insider" so im sure it isnt the whole truth and sentences have been added to spice it up....

It isnt the first time a driver has put another out of the race and certainly isnt the last...so all i can say is a mountain is being made out of a molehill....

Irv the Swerve · 19 Mar 2005, 13:18 (Ref:1255973)

I doubt if it happened as described or maybe even at all. If it did, then surely it was just a bit of craic.

Drivers voting on who should apologise to who?.......yeah, right.

kdr · 19 Mar 2005, 13:27 (Ref:1255978)

i'm amazed it they managed to discuss the matter for 30 minutes. i mean after "we think you should say sorry", and "well i don't think i should but oh ok"...what took up the other 29 minutes 30 seconds...maybe they do discuss Jarno Trullis hair after all?

Canberra>karter · 19 Mar 2005, 15:15 (Ref:1256028)

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Originally Posted by Gt_R

Hhhaha..i don't know to laugh or cry.

A sad bunch of drivers to be squabbling over such a small incident.

Honestly, like what i've mentioned in earlier posts, Michael is in majority blame, but Nick wasnt faultless. But on the whole, it is such a small racing incident that no one would have noticed if it is between a Minardi and a Jordan.

But Michael's involved...hmmm..that adds a whole new light to it.

If this is the way drivers want to judge moves, i hope they have the integrity to do it for subsequent crashes involving other drivers as well.

i think what is funny is that both Michael and Nick have forgotten about the incident and moved on, only for some smart boy bring it up again.

If it's from a clear sporting view, i have no problem with it.

But frankly, i have a feeling that Michael would call it a day soon. No matter how much passion a man has for racing, the political BS that is hurting F1 is going to take it's toll.

This thread's funny, everyone is bagging the drivers out calling them girly girls for discussing an issue for just 30 minutes, but if remember correctly this very issue was discussed for days on this very forum

I do agree that it was probably some humour from the drivers and MS apology was in jest

Don K · 19 Mar 2005, 15:47 (Ref:1256049)

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Originally Posted by The Monster

Rather odd one this I found over at F1-Live.com

http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlin...18182245.shtml

It seems as though all the F1 drivers had a vote wether if Michael should apologise to Nick for the Melbourne crash, they voted 19:1, and Michael was forced to make an apology, bizarre!

Very strange article.

If it is true, it means that:
- All 20 drivers got together to talk about this.
- Only the 18 drivers who were *not* involved were allowed to talk.
- After that, all 20 drivers did vote on the incident.

I think that would be a *very* strange way to settle this ....

Knowlesy · 19 Mar 2005, 15:51 (Ref:1256050)

Well Michael should have apologised two weeks ago really. But he didn't and now we end up with commitee meetings over whether someone should apologise. How very "primary school".

Bellof · 19 Mar 2005, 17:35 (Ref:1256124)

just saw mark webber's, jv's and dc's comments on this, and obviously there was a discussion but no vote. mark said something like: "we didn't do a vote, we're not that clever..."

429CJ · 19 Mar 2005, 18:16 (Ref:1256156)

Maybe F1 drivers should settle their differences similar way of the hockey players

Testure · 20 Mar 2005, 01:19 (Ref:1256408)

According to grandprix.com (http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns14440.html):

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The discussions were felt to be necessary because the drivers have a gentleman's agreement about not moving over on one another in the braking zone in order to avoid unnecessary incidents. Michael was eventually convinced that he had broken the deal and he apologised to his fellow drivers.

All sounds very mature

Interesting.

Dixie Flatline · 20 Mar 2005, 05:27 (Ref:1256474)

Has this been confirmed?

Who was the "insider" that leaked this to the press? I would have thought the drivers would have done it behind closed doors, if they did do it, with nobody else involved, and they would have resolved not to talk about it.

Presumably it must have been done after Thursday, because IIRC Kimi and JV were asked about their thoughts on the incident and Kimi basically said "I don't know because I haven't seen it" and JV said "I noticed it on the super-screen as I was driving past, but I had other things to worry about, so I don't know either".

Mike_Wooshy · 20 Mar 2005, 08:44 (Ref:1256533)

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Originally Posted by Kempi

Uhm, sorry, but this is a bunch of BS. Both drivers said it was time to move on Thursday. And now the others bring this up in some kind of meeting? Don't they have better things to do? Or will they make a vote on Trulli's hairdoe next GP and make him cut his hair if it shows below his helmet?

There used to be a time when the drivers actually had some kind of aura around them. That all the more faded with this ridiculous vote.

Agreed, Both drivers have said it was passed it was a racing incident they just saw it from diffrent perspectives which will always happen.

**Born Racer** · 20 Mar 2005, 16:32 (Ref:1257068)

Does an apology mean anything though if there is no sentiment behind it?

**Adam43** · 20 Mar 2005, 17:24 (Ref:1257110)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Does an apology mean anything though if there is no sentiment behind it?

After discussing it with all the drivers then maybe he did mean it? Better than refusing to lsiten to someone.

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Originally Posted by Bellof

just saw mark webber's, jv's and dc's comments on this, and obviously there was a discussion but no vote. mark said something like: "we didn't do a vote, we're not that clever..."

Yes, the first report made it sound far more weak than it probably was, so I was being a little harsh earlier.

They got together and discussed it. Heidfeld persuaded them all that he was in the right. Michael agreed eventually. Fair enough, perhaps these driver's meeting are alright.

And they came to the right decision IMHO.

Gt_R · 20 Mar 2005, 18:45 (Ref:1257185)

Next up: Fisi vs Webber

Who you'd put money on winning the fight for the votes?

REALIST · 20 Mar 2005, 19:44 (Ref:1257252)

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Originally Posted by Gt_R

Next up: Fisi vs Webber

Who you'd put money on winning the fight for the votes?

Mmmm. It's a pity TGF wasn't somewhere in the vicinity when Webber was getting tangled up, then we'd have been able to blame him for that too!

Marlboro man · 20 Mar 2005, 19:58 (Ref:1257264)

I don't know what kind of agreements the drivers have regarding overtaking. But I don't kwow what MS did wrong. He defends his position but he leaves enough space for Heidfeld.

Heidi is apperently afraid and makes a stupid move during braking which forced him to go on the grass.

You can blame MS for making a sudden move, but you can't hold him responsable for the accident. In my opion, it was racing accident.

Marlboro man · 20 Mar 2005, 19:59 (Ref:1257266)

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Originally Posted by 429CJ

Maybe F1 drivers should settle their differences similar way of the hockey players

Schumi tried that once in Belgium.

Mike_Wooshy · 20 Mar 2005, 20:15 (Ref:1257282)

lol so rubbens must have voted agasint mikey !!!

strider · 20 Mar 2005, 20:21 (Ref:1257294)

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Originally Posted by Marlboro man

I don't know what kind of agreements the drivers have regarding overtaking. But I don't kwow what MS did wrong. He defends his position but he leaves enough space for Heidfeld.

Heidi is apperently afraid and makes a stupid move during braking which forced him to go on the grass.

You can blame MS for making a sudden move, but you can't hold him responsable for the accident. In my opion, it was racing accident.

Don't think you've been smoking Marlboros if that's what you saw!

Marlboro man · 20 Mar 2005, 21:32 (Ref:1257401)

You believe MS didn't leave enough room?

I can post a short movie of the crash to prove it, if you want.

Mike_Wooshy · 20 Mar 2005, 21:33 (Ref:1257404)

we all saw it, just each of us have diffrent opinons of what happened.

**Adam43** · 20 Mar 2005, 21:54 (Ref:1257437)

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Originally Posted by Marlboro man

You believe MS didn't leave enough room?

I don't think anyone is disputing that technically there was space for a Williams - the lateness of the move made it difficult to thread into that gap though.

I'm afraid there are some on this forum who agree with the 95% of F1 drivers. Actually 100%, seeing as Michael apologised!

Testure · 20 Mar 2005, 21:57 (Ref:1257445)

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Originally Posted by Marlboro man

I don't know what kind of agreements the drivers have regarding overtaking.

From http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns14440.html:

"the drivers have a gentleman's agreement about not moving over on one another in the braking zone in order to avoid unnecessary incidents"

strider · 20 Mar 2005, 22:29 (Ref:1257489)

As a learned judge once remarked, a gentlemen's agreement will never work unless all the parties to it are gentlemen...

In any case this particular incident is surely old news now - there's been another Grand Prix and some more controversial collisions!

PS @Testure: Middle Earth is an excellent place for a mole to be based. We pop up all over the place!

Russ-Turner · 20 Mar 2005, 23:16 (Ref:1257531)

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Originally Posted by 429CJ

Maybe F1 drivers should settle their differences similar way of the hockey players

I bet Nelson Piquet could still slap some of these whipper snappers about with his kung-fu.

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