Super Aguri dramas - Page 2

Marbot · 9 Mar 2007, 16:04 (Ref:1862427)

Looks like they'll definitely be trouble in Melbourne.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57154

chillibowl · 9 Mar 2007, 17:25 (Ref:1862478)

its a shame that SAguri and STR are even being lumped together here.
hopefully a compromise for using last years (or even older) car is kept a separate issue from using a 07 chassis.

this is 2 years now STR have obviously found ways around the rules (or spirit of the rules) first with the restricted V10 and now using the same car as their sister/brother team.

im of the thought that if STR was not involved with this a compromise for SAguri would have been found by now.

Fletcher · 9 Mar 2007, 17:52 (Ref:1862490)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen

Super Aguri are claiming that they aren't launching their car until Melbourne - but we've all seen it and it is without doubt last year's Honda.

I might be a bit naive but I thought they'd have something else than the 'interim car' in Melbourne.

Marbot · 9 Mar 2007, 19:30 (Ref:1862559)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletcher

I might be a bit naive but I thought they'd have something else than the 'interim car' in Melbourne.

The interim car is actually pretty good.

**Born Racer** · 9 Mar 2007, 23:40 (Ref:1862719)

So could Super Aguri beat Honda with their own car from last season?

Marbot · 10 Mar 2007, 01:31 (Ref:1862772)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

So could Super Aguri beat Honda with their own car from last season?

It's a possibility.

neilap · 10 Mar 2007, 11:17 (Ref:1862943)

That would be a disaster!

RB stated the new car was faster from it hit the track so I hope thats the case. Supposedly their race pace will be decent so maybe JB will be able to take Ant. for 12th place.

ss_collins · 10 Mar 2007, 11:37 (Ref:1862953)

SA and Honda will score constructors point as will RBR STR however will not I suspect

ECW Dan Selby · 10 Mar 2007, 16:30 (Ref:1863127)

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Originally Posted by Smokey 6 litre

And being launched just before the race gives the other teams less time to complain about its legality.

haha I like that. Couldn't agree more.

Selby

mac · 13 Mar 2007, 10:31 (Ref:1865464)

Interesting that a number of those in the paddock I have spoken to believe this season will not finish without a legal challenge to the validity of the Super Aguri and Toro Rosso - most likely when the series returns to Europe.

Knowlesy · 13 Mar 2007, 18:27 (Ref:1865741)

We've heard that one before. About a year ago in fact.

ss_collins · 13 Mar 2007, 21:12 (Ref:1865906)

In fact I read that on Grandprix.com a couple of days ago. However this is pretty true - we have some quotes from Max Mosely - indirectly in response to a letter in the April issue, in our May issue (out in April - when it will all kick off) that suggest that last year the Aguri was definatley legal "Arrows is no longer a constructor as it no longer exists" however the Honda is a little dubious but I think they'll get away with it if they can prove ownership of the IPR. However nobody has suggested a way the RBR/STR can be legal and frankly the whole of F1 is talking about it from suppliers to rival teams.

wheadon · 13 Mar 2007, 22:21 (Ref:1865972)

but isn't the red bull and the torro rosso built by Red bull technologies? a seperate company? isn't that a way around the rules?

Down F0rce · 13 Mar 2007, 23:05 (Ref:1866013)

It's legally a way around the rules, but in some cases the intention can override that. I.e, they know full well thay they are going againt the spirit of the rules and this may very well come into play when the legal challenges are made. I wouldn't be at all suprised to see a STR1 on the track at some point this year.

wheadon · 13 Mar 2007, 23:16 (Ref:1866022)

good point

M Coupe · 14 Mar 2007, 07:46 (Ref:1866201)

Quote:

2007 SAF1 TEAM LAUNCH – NEW DETAILS

Aguri Suzuki and SUPER AGURI F1 TEAM race drivers Takuma Sato and Anthony Davidson will be revealing the team’s SA07 car on

Wednesday 14th March

at

16:30

In the pitlane in front of the SAF1 Team garage, Albert Park Circuit, Melbourne, Australia.

Please accept our apologies for the change of Launch Date. We are working relentlessly to prepare our 2007 challenger which will unfortunately not be available for presentation on the 12th March in Tokyo as originally planned.

Was this date still current, i.e. have they unveiled the car yet?

M Coupe · 14 Mar 2007, 07:53 (Ref:1866202)

Ooops, should have surfed a bit further 1st.

SA Launch pics

TheKing · 14 Mar 2007, 08:15 (Ref:1866211)

Best looking car of the lot! Abs. stunner

Marbot · 14 Mar 2007, 08:20 (Ref:1866215)

It's not bad for a Honda.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=30727

Pics.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...fes_gal_id=703

Raglanparade · 14 Mar 2007, 08:40 (Ref:1866236)

Is it a Honda or a Toyota ???

ss_collins · 14 Mar 2007, 09:58 (Ref:1866316)

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It's legally a way around the rules,

No it isn't not in anyway - its outside of the rule - you cannot have your car built by a third party. Under the regulations as I read them (inc the relevant bit of Concorde - which I now have the wording of) RBTech are a constructor but RBR and STR are not. Now RBR gould do a deal with RBT to make them a constructor but it would make the STR totally outside the rules. Which it already is I suspect. I think the results from the first three races WILL be amended

mac · 14 Mar 2007, 10:20 (Ref:1866330)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

We've heard that one before. About a year ago in fact.

The point is that the Arrows was so slow last year that it did not cause any rival teams any commercial loss.

If Toro Rosso or Super Aguri finish in the points immediately ahead of a Williams or Spyker, they will be able to prove that they have suffered a commercial loss due to the flaunting of the rules.

This situation is when any legal action could begin.

Knowlesy · 14 Mar 2007, 17:38 (Ref:1866579)

All the moaning last year was about Toro Rosso.

The only person who maoned about Aguri was Jacques Villeneuve, although he waited until previewing the 2007 season to unleash the venom!

chillibowl · 14 Mar 2007, 20:56 (Ref:1866735)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac

If Toro Rosso or Super Aguri finish in the points immediately ahead of a Williams or Spyker, they will be able to prove that they have suffered a commercial loss due to the flaunting of the rules.

not a legal expert so not sure if this is even on point, but if STR and SA pass scrutinizing, and the cars are deemed by the FIA to meet the requirements to enter the race, how could anyone claim any commercial loss due to being beaten by a team which had permission to race.
that would be like coming in 2nd and suing the 1st place finisher for doing better.
wouldn't Williams or Spykers complaint be against the FIA then for illegally allowing the cars in question to race in the first place? we need some lawyers on retainer here at 10tenths i think

Thundersports · 14 Mar 2007, 21:06 (Ref:1866741)

Due to financial constraints I understand the cars are disguised Arrows A11s

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