F1 goes to Sky sports

[rocketcar]

sent an angry complaint to the bbc which has made me feel slightly better with myself. i have to question why they axe f1 and keep all the rubbish they show. like someone said 1 year to the olympics. f1 has such high viewing figures and should easily take priority over the crap shown on bbc 3 (and this is comming from someone who is meant to be their target audience)! They have kept sports which are pointless such as athletics trials and swimining heats coverage and worse of all the shambles and cruelty that is the grand national. I only really watch the f1 on bbc and i think from next year it will be basically nothing, already switch to skynews after their news coverage has swung to far to the left.

Rant over. ha.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

beau1


Not everything is liked by everybody, and for 145 pounds a year you get an enormous selection at the beeb...

You also get a lot of dross and politicising.

[garcon]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

You also get a lot of dross and politicising.

On the BBC?

Not nearly so much as you do on the dumbed down, editorially controlled commercial stations.

Besides, one viewer's dross is another viewer's quality programming. And I see the 'politicising' as the bBC honouring its neutral position by supporting factual programming from a wide range of viewpoints.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by garcon

On the BBC?

Not nearly so much as you do on the dumbed down, editorially controlled commercial stations.

Besides, one viewer's dross is another viewer's quality programming. And I see the 'politicising' as the bBC honouring its neutral position by supporting factual programming from a wide range of viewpoints.

I suppose some people do find Eastenders a quality programme.

As for the BBC honoring its neutral position, that can be debated on the British Politics thread.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by rocketcar

I only really watch the f1 on bbc and i think from next year it will be basically nothing, already switch to skynews after their news coverage has swung to far to the left.

Post of the day!

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Post of the day!

I think we should start awarding a prize..

[rocketcar]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

beau1


Not everything is liked by everybody, and for 145 pounds a year you get an enormous selection at the beeb...

umm no you dont i watch hardly anything on the bbc with the exception of a few comedy shows and even then they have been heavily edited.

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by rocketcar

umm no you dont i watch hardly anything on the bbc with the exception of a few comedy shows and even then they have been heavily edited.

Okay....

[Flavio Galtieri]

Sky don't care about viewers or viewer numbers, only new hd subscribers @£65 a go. The BBC can't do anything now because they have been cash strapped by Cameron as part of a deal with James Murdoch to have his newspapers support him at the last election.

The only people who can help now are the sponsors, who like us are being sold short.

That's where we should be focussing our attention imho.

Just look at IndyCar if you want to see what can happen to a series when it goes to a pay TV model. It is all but finished and is now almost a sponsor free zone.

[JeremySmith]

IndyCar fell apart after the split...

[Flavio Galtieri]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

IndyCar fell apart after the split...

aided by ill considered TV deals, which have now brought it to it's knees.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Flavio Galtieri

Sky don't care about viewers or viewer numbers, only new hd subscribers @£65 a go. The BBC can't do anything now because they have been cash strapped by Cameron as part of a deal with James Murdoch to have his newspapers support him at the last election.

The only people who can help now are the sponsors, who like us are being sold short.

That's where we should be focussing our attention imho.

Just look at IndyCar if you want to see what can happen to a series when it goes to a pay TV model. It is all but finished and is now almost a sponsor free zone.

The BBC cash strapped themselves by overpaying their exceutives and TV stars like Jonathan Ross obscene amounts of money and now they are paying, no pun intended, the price. Just like their New Labour chums, the BBC have no understanding of fiscal responsibility.

Indy Car's problems have been exacerbated by TV coverage but the problems with Indy Car have been around since 1996.

[Flavio Galtieri]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

The BBC cash strapped themselves by overpaying their exceutives and TV stars like Jonathan Ross obscene amounts of money and now they are paying, no pun intended, the price. Just like their New Labour chums, the BBC have no understanding of fiscal responsibility.

Indy Car's problems have been exacerbated by TV coverage but the problems with Indy Car have been around since 1996.

Whether salary excesses at the BBC had any bearing on this decision is highly unlikely, although I wouldn't disagree about the management failures and nepotism in past years which have driven me mad too.

James Murdoch has wanted to drive the BBC into the ground for years, it's an essential part of his corporate strategy for growth. F1 is probably the most popular sport his company does NOT control, hence interest in talks with CVC etc.

The Tories hate the BBC because it's perceived as "left wing" but which is nonsense as it is apolitical by statute.

Remember, had Avaaz and others not organised an online petition of 180,000 members of the public protesting against the proposed BSB takeover Murdoch would own it all. The delay in Jeremy Hunt needing to be seen to read those emails gave just enough time for News Corporation's corruption and bribery to be revealed.

F1 would not be on Sky TV next year had Cameron not have promised his grubby little pal that he would nobble the BBC. That is the truth of the matter, unless of course you have better information.

The tragedy is that if this pay TV model spreads to elsewhere in Europe sponsors will desert the sport or pay considerably less. It is a short-sighted and dangerous precedent.

http://dalyplanet.blogspot.com/2011/...-disaster.html

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Flavio Galtieri

The Tories hate the BBC because it's perceived as "left wing" but which is nonsense as it is apolitical by statute.

I love this; a sweeping political statement about a party applying an incorrect sweeping political misconception!

[Flavio Galtieri]

Originally Posted by Adam43

I love this; a sweeping political statement about a party applying an incorrect sweeping political misconception!

Surely that summarises all political debate? It wouldn't be politics if it was based on facts surely?

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Flavio Galtieri

Sky don't care about viewers or viewer numbers, ...

No one cares about other viewers judging by the comments about BBC3 or whatever. As long as what I like is on and free that is all that matters seems to be the mantra.

We're in an F1-centric world here, let's be a little careful. Not always from the same people, but we have whinging about giving sky money, whinging about being forced to give the beeb money and just general I shouldn't pay anything and get everything.
OK, I overstate this, but if I was an outsider reading this thread I might well end up with the false perception of an F1 fan.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Flavio Galtieri

Surely that summarises all political debate? It wouldn't be politics if it was based on facts surely?

It probably does

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Flavio Galtieri

Whether salary excesses at the BBC had any bearing on this decision is highly unlikely, although I wouldn't disagree about the management failures and nepotism in past years which have driven me mad too.

James Murdoch has wanted to drive the BBC into the ground for years, it's an essential part of his corporate strategy for growth. F1 is probably the most popular sport his company does NOT control, hence interest in talks with CVC etc.

The Tories hate the BBC because it's perceived as "left wing" but which is nonsense as it is apolitical by statute.

Remember, had Avaaz and others not organised an online petition of 180,000 members of the public protesting against the proposed BSB takeover Murdoch would own it all. The delay in Jeremy Hunt needing to be seen to read those emails gave just enough time for News Corporation's corruption and bribery to be revealed.

F1 would not be on Sky TV next year had Cameron not have promised his grubby little pal that he would nobble the BBC. That is the truth of the matter, unless of course you have better information.

The tragedy is that if this pay TV model spreads to elsewhere in Europe sponsors will desert the sport or pay considerably less. It is a short-sighted and dangerous precedent.

http://dalyplanet.blogspot.com/2011/...-disaster.html

I don't know how reliable your information is but this should be debated on the British Politics thread. Why don't you start the debate?

As for Indy Car I'll repeat what I said in post #487, Indy Car's problems have been exacerbated by TV coverage but the problems with Indy Car have been around since 1996. Again, this can be debated on the Indy Car thread.

[Flavio Galtieri]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I don't know how reliable your information is but this should be debated on the British Politics thread. Why don't you start the debate?.

Well I think everything I have said appertains to the thread "F1 goes to sky sports" otherwise I wouldn't have posted it here. What is the problem? F1 and politics are irrevocably entwined..... see Bahrain GP for reference, and this issue in particular.

Anyway I'm done now.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Flavio Galtieri

Well I think everything I have said appertains to the thread "F1 goes to sky sports" otherwise I wouldn't have posted it here. What is the problem? F1 and politics are irrevocably entwined..... see Bahrain GP for reference, and this issue in particular.

Anyway I'm done now.

It pertains to a certain extent but you need to substantiate statements like this,

Originally Posted by Flavio Galtieri

F1 would not be on Sky TV next year had Cameron not have promised his grubby little pal that he would nobble the BBC. That is the truth of the matter, unless of course you have better information.

which is the 'truth' as far as you are concerned and why I suggested you take this to the British Politics thread. It could make for a good discussion.

[Minicross424]

I dont think i can add much to this thread and most points have been covered.
It is sad that its going to Sky and i wont subscribe.
I dont live in the dark ages but I have never felt the need to pay for Sky.
I have a dish and box and watch the free channels so last year i got nascar, this year not, ho hum.
My tv is 15 years old, when it breaks I will replace it.
My point is I will move on and will do what i do now, watch the races when i catch them.
The only people whos blood pressure is rising is die hard must watch it live fans.
By the way Bernie should walk away.

[Paulaweybridge]

Did they prevent Martin Brundle from doing the Pit Walk today so he wouldn't ask Bernie about the Sky deal?

[AMP Marshal]

Originally Posted by Minicross424

By the way Bernie should walk away.

Amen to that. In Spades.

[rocketcar]

Originally Posted by Paulaweybridge

Did they prevent Martin Brundle from doing the Pit Walk today so he wouldn't ask Bernie about the Sky deal?

nah they said at the beginning of the year some races he couldnt do it because of the walk from the grid to the commentary box, that said canada where itv in the past skipped the grid walk martin did one. so no idea what they are playing at.

[Paulaweybridge]

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