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From what I've seen on Racing Sports Cars, they don't give total time for distance events.
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Glad Mazda got a 'real' team to run their cars for next seasin. I'll miss them this year a little. I'm betting the multimatic/riley p2 will use it's joker if the Mazda is going to be based on it still. If multimatic is smart, they'll have Joest cooperation with the basis for the Mazda and work from there. Once you get the fundamentals right the rest should fall into place. Maybe the cockpit won't be so darn wide next year. We'll see, but this is really awesome news!
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I correct myself, the 1998 event went 10 hours at 391 laps.
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I agree, the loss of the strategy sucks but I'm not sure how often that played out anyway . Also, I'm not asking you what lap it is every 30 secs. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk |
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You would have to figure out where the leader would get to 1000 instead of just when is 10 hours completed. So if the leader has problems then end of the race could be be pushed back if they were laps ahead. Especially important for the GT guys who aren't really watching the prototype battle on track most of the race and are adding laps at a different pace so their fuel use is different.
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There is a reason the approximately 24 Hours of Le Mans isn't the subject of a lot of movies ....
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FWIW I like a mixture of both time and distance races because they are a little different. Of course Le Mans and Sebring should be timed, but having some of the others as distance would be great for variety. Strategy is just different for both.
The main reason that I see for the timed race is that it is easier for timetables and telly. That's a boring reason for me. |
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Road America should be a 500 mile race.
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That's the strategy, it requires guys who can watch and determine another team, in another class, strategy so they can then determine when the race will end and back count. It changes often so they have to know when the right time to pit is relative the leader's pace, not relative a set time.
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In fairness, we have so many timed races (not just endurance events, but sprint races) because of TV coverage/TV contracts. Outside of NASCAR or F1, no series really has the pull to have live races based on distance. And even F1 has a max time limit on races (two consecutive hours from start to finish, and there's also something about a four hour window if a race is delayed or red flagged). So it's either that races are shown as tape delayed highlights or are timed to fit in a window.
Almost all of IMSA's races going back years and years, well before the ALMS, were 2:30-3:00 hour races. The ALMS' standard race length was 2:45, much like today. And races that were longer were either shown live on cable (usually Speedvision/Speed Channel) or on tape delay in a highlights show that was usually 2 hours long. Even CBS's races that were shown as live were basically the first hour shown as condensed highlights/live coverage mixed and the second hour live. The TV guys like timed races because that means no interference if a race run on distance goes over the time the wanted to allocate to it. Only distance race where that wasn't usually a problem was PLM, and even that was 1000 miles or 10 hours+1 lap, which ever came first until 2014. A 1000km race if run mostly under green could take only a bit more than 5 hours, but if it rains or you get a ton of yellows, you could be there for well over 6 hours. |
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'Truly appreciate your trying to help, but I've got it. Thanks'.
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Well, well, well. WeatherTech/MacNeil ditched the Porsche 911 GT3 in favor of the Mercedes-Benz AMG GT over BOP, and now are back running a Porsche for the same reasons:
http://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/we...n-bop-dispute/ |
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This is always a problem with bop, and didn't Racers Group cite the poor bop as a reason for ditching their Porsche campaign earlier this season? |
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