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20 Apr 2012, 18:49 (Ref:3062757) | #553 | |
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http://www.europeanlemansseries.com/....php?news=2149
- Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3 - Audi R8 LMS - BMW Z4 GT3 - Ferrari 458 Italia GT3 - Lamborghini Gallardo LP600+ GT3 - Mc Laren MP4-12C GT3 - Mercedes SLS AMG GT3 - Porsche GT3-R But decrease of the performances to be slower than GTE PRO and GTE AM... |
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And so the downfall begins... Interesting how ACO originally opted not to open GTC for GT3 because of, and I quote, "performance balancing would be a nightmare" but now that they've got a total lack of entries they've chosen the easy route. Too bad ELMS, I wouldn't have thought you would be the first one to fall (I don't count Zhuhai 2010/2011)
edit - not sure they'll get many GT3s either to be honest because there are too many other series giving far better explosure for them |
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20 Apr 2012, 18:56 (Ref:3062763) | #555 | |
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That's interesting after what Ratel said only a couple of weeks ago...
Something that doesn't seem to have been picked up in the thread is a couple of comments in Autosport's report that the Donington race was going ahead, published a couple of weeks back: Apparently, Donington MD Christopher Tate was 'working on ideas on how to have more cars' and according to Patrick Peter 'has promised me a minimum of five new cars just from British teams'. Tate added 'There is no shortage of GT cars in Britain, and people who would want to race them in an important endurance race at Donington Park. We have already had preliminary conversations with some teams and individuals' (Autosport, 5th April) Putting 2 and 2 together and making 5, there are plenty of active GT3 cars in Britain. Could this have been part of what Peter and Tate were talking about? With the ELMS has opened the 'GTC' class up to GT3 cars, will Donington be able to get some of the GT3 teams from British GT and Britcar to turn out for their ELMS race, or is this a completely different and unrelated move to whatever UK-based cars Autosport were suggesting the Donington management might be able to round up? There are already some existing ELMS teams also active in GT3, Blancpain etc- AF Corse, and the Gulf McLaren guys who ran their GTE Vantage at Ricard (and their Mac ran at the pre-season ELMS test). I wouldn't be surprised if they were amongst any potential GT3 runners turning out in GTC Last edited by KA; 20 Apr 2012 at 19:04. |
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20 Apr 2012, 19:20 (Ref:3062776) | #557 | |
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finally. i dont give a damn about gt3 bop at least this might bring some more variety than that wretched cup class would with ferraris and porsches. Im glad there were no entries in gtc when it was only open to those boring challange cars. the ALMS should just kick out the current gtc cup class in favour of gt3. they should simply call this class gt3 as well.
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20 Apr 2012, 20:27 (Ref:3062805) | #558 | ||
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including gt3 on lms and you can easily steal 50% and more cars from the blancpain....
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Why can't the aco and sro just agree a common formula....surely it would be the best thing for endurance racing....they all need shooting in my opinion!
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Sounds like a good idea to me, the GTC class on its own was only ever going to have a limited appeal and by including GT3 cars will surely bolster the ELMS grid. With the lack of a LMP1 class in the ELMS the series was always going to struggle for numbers in my opinion. Yes the ACO has taken the easy route but at least they are working pro actively to solve the problem which they should be commended for rather than chastised. Perhaps it's time for the ACO to officially recognise the GT3 class in ACO sanctioned events? Perhaps a GT3 support race at Le Mans would be a good idea.
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Would have been perfect if announced prior to the start of the season - Blancpain could lose 20+ cars, have kept a small GT4 class and still been oversubscribed.
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21 Apr 2012, 00:22 (Ref:3062889) | #562 | ||
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Oh no , nest they will want GT3 at Le Mans !!!
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21 Apr 2012, 02:13 (Ref:3062908) | #563 | ||
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Saw it coming? Wasn't there rumours of replacing GTE with GT3? I think it has begun.....
For some reason I seem to remember the Gulf McLarens running at Ricard without the door blades with ELMS numbers during the ELMS test there, I guess we know who'll be showing up. Missing door blades must have been a testing thing. Last edited by MitchZ06; 21 Apr 2012 at 02:19. |
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The official story was that the Gulf McLaren were allowed to run some test mileage with their Blancpain McLaren- they'd also got their GTE Aston there, which they seem to be running as a race-by-race entry in ELMS for Goethe/Hall.
Given that they're a 2-car team in Blancpain, I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring one of their McLarens out alongside the Aston in ELMS now though. In fact, if I was in any kind of senior management role on the MP4/12C project, given the troubled time the McLaren's had so far this season, I think I might be viewing this as an opportunity to get a 'works' (CRS?) development car out there for some race mileage, without competing directly against their customers in Blancpain, GT1, GT3 etc |
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'Door blades'?
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John Dagys has written a piece for Speed about the possibilies for GT3 in ALMS- He seems to be suggesting Donington might see 'a brace of Audi R8LMS, Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG and McLaren MP4/12Cs'
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...gt3-in-america Given what the Donington MD said in Autosport a couple of weeks back about trying to attract some UK-based GT cars out, could this be some of the British GT or British-based Blancpain teams? Donington's very much the 'local' circuit for the Preci-Spark Mercedes for example- the owners/sponsors are only based about 10-15 miles away... |
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21 Apr 2012, 08:36 (Ref:3063004) | #567 | |
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Well it better be, otherwise all those commemorative plates are for nothing.
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21 Apr 2012, 13:06 (Ref:3063134) | #568 | ||
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only 1 thing that could cause some confusion: cars like the ferrari and porsche gt cars running in different classes. grandam already integrated the gt3 class and now its time for the alms-elms to do the same. (as a separate class of course, not a gte-gt3 or a gtc-gt3 mix) imho the alms has nothing to lose if they kick out the gtc cars and replace them with gt3 only problem is they wouldnt be the stars of the show, so no more fights for overall victory Last edited by lms; 21 Apr 2012 at 13:33. |
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Any news regarding the race at Donington?
The entry list was modified two days ago, and there are a few changes compering to 6 hours of Castellet: addition of cars #35 (Oak Morgan), #41 (Loeb LMPC), and absence of #61 (Kessel Ferrari), #69 (Gulf Aston). The total hasn't changed, and it's still at unimpressive 21 (15 prototypes, 6 GTs). |
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jeez, 5+1 GTs......
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So any GT3 interested in the ELMS ???
Will ELMS stop if the +25/30 cars is not reached?? |
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25 Jun 2012, 11:47 (Ref:3097720) | #572 | ||
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Might've thought we'd see at least one McLaren-Gulf?
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Provisional entry list for Donington now back down to 19...
12x LMP2 02x LMPC 02x LMGTE-PRO 03x LMGTE-AM 00x GTC/GT3 Bit of "news" about the inevitable performance balancing in GT3 as well: Quote:
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Pleased I didn't order tickets in advance for Donington, 19 cars in a six-hour event is pretty bad, undecided if I should attend or not. Thankfully I only live an hour away from Donington, but anyone having to travel for some distance to get there must be really put off by those numbers.
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The funny thing is that AF Corse and most certainly IMSA guys in AM are far more professional outfits than the JMW and JMB in GTE-PRO! For gods sake just join the classes already... |
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