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10 Jun 2021, 08:03 (Ref:4055497) | #576 | |
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I'm fine for the separate bop, gt-open already proved that gt3 cars with spec michelin can be as fast as GTE.
A separate bop would let gtd-pro being in the same performance window of gte and gtd remain in the same actual performance window of gtd. Or at least there won't be anymore atrocities like about 1400kg amg gt3 |
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10 Jun 2021, 13:26 (Ref:4055544) | #577 | ||
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GTD Pro with good BoP might have a pole lap at Daytona of 1 min 44 I think. and 1 min 58 at Sebring I guess. On current GTD tires. |
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17 Jun 2021, 14:38 (Ref:4056858) | #578 | |
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Sounds like Lexus will have a new GT3 car coming soon as well. I hope its a redeisgn or something based off a different model. I would not put the current Lexus in the category of best looking nor best sounding GT cars right now. Always cheered for it though especially in GT World Challenge because it was different from the usual German or Itallian mark.
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26 Jun 2021, 18:37 (Ref:4058326) | #579 | |
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Also I wish there was a better exclusive all-GT endurance race in the USA. I don't think the 8 hours of Indy cuts it right now. That one needs to be longer. The idae of the 24 hours of Sebring is good, lets see how the Creventic event goes in November. But yeah I'd like to see something that would bring in both top SRO teams, N'Ring, DTM and future IMSA GTD-pro teams together. And it cant' be Daytona 24 or Sebring 12 because LMDH is about to take the spotlight in those events. Any ideas?
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28 Jun 2021, 14:03 (Ref:4058646) | #580 | ||
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I have insisted on splitting Petit Le Mans into a prototype race and a GT race.
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29 Jun 2021, 18:29 (Ref:4058890) | #581 | ||
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More split proto and GT races could be possible with the larger grids by then too. And don't forget IMSA did that all the time during the GTP and Camel Lights days with the GTS/GTU classes. In fact Daytona and Sebring were the only raced all the classes ran together. Rest of season it was split. Nobody complained back then. |
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29 Jun 2021, 18:57 (Ref:4058894) | #582 | ||
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Since a goodly proportion of the entertainment surrounds dealing with traffic, particularly as the classes are now closer together in performance, splitting the fields makes little or no sense
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Oh, and the fact that 8 people show up for GT only races no matter how popular they are on the forum. If SRO could get 125k to show up for the 8 Hour of Indy they'd be jumping for joy but they don't. Same reasoning holds for why no one complained in the 80s, THEY SHOWED UP and there was nearly unlimited (if you didn't ask where it came from) money. And wait, checking IMSA history, yup that series failed spectacularly when the money dried up. Feel free to bring and spend your billions and we can have the GTP days again with more classes than ILMC/Sebring race. |
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29 Jun 2021, 19:58 (Ref:4058913) | #584 | ||
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Might as well send the cars out for a 30-lap sprint one by one like a 10-hour rally
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29 Jun 2021, 20:15 (Ref:4058915) | #585 | ||
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Entertainment to some, a higher budget for crash damage to others - and since IMSA is - let's face it - a largely customer driven series outside DPi/LMDh, all GT races could actually be attractive to those paying customers in GTD.
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30 Jun 2021, 12:16 (Ref:4059017) | #587 | ||
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OEMs are only going to pay for so much. The money to field the cars still has to come from somewhere. Will OEMs pay for 25 Hypercars and at least a dozen GTD-Pro cars? I very much doubt it.
This means that the increase in prototype numbers will likely drain money (and talent) from lower down the field, which most likely will result in a formula of Hypercar + a single Pro-Am GT class on both sides of the pond. Or a Hypercar + Pro-Am LMP (P3, most likely) + Pro-Am GT, if total numbers require it. |
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I miss the 80 or 90 car grids at Daytona and Sebring. I remember that many battles between the Porsche RS Spyder and the Audi R10 TDI were defined by traffic. I just thought that if there are more than 25 or 30 LMDH/Hypercars, the classes could be splitting into the races of 2 hours 40 min. |
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1 Jul 2021, 16:11 (Ref:4059198) | #590 | ||
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2. You are right about the whole Petit Le mans split idea. Not realisitc probably but GTD Pro should get chances to headline. Hope ViR and Lime Rock remain all GT. I think Daytona Q-races should split too. "Motul Twin 125" sounds like a good roll of the tounge. 3. Yes on split races for shorter events. Especially if grid numbers for LMDH come through as promised. Can justify keeping LMP3 too that way. |
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2 Jul 2021, 01:42 (Ref:4059273) | #591 | |
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But lets be honest I think IMSA and WEC clearly are prioritzing DPI2 and Hypercars. They have plans for GT racing but it is not a priority. They will be treated as field fillers (especially WEC) by mid decade. The ones who give a darn about GT racing's future is SRO first and foremost but perhaps DTM and N24/NLS as well. I've always been one of the biggest fans for SRO racing out there, but I know their flaws too. SRO has the worst....And I mean...THE worst safety car procedure in sportscar racing. It has been THE major black eye on that series for years now.
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Corvette GT3 in 2024?
Acura/Honda NSX will receive its second “evo” update next year similar to the Audi/Lamborghini. |
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Yes to all 3. But for IMSA to keep that mix, they can't be treating GT classes as 2nd class citizens. I think Scott Atherton knew that and under his leadership they were treated as equals in many ways. I wonder if under John Doonan though GT is being treated as more of an afterthought.
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20 Aug 2021, 16:29 (Ref:4068100) | #598 | ||
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So i guess the big question now is how similar to GT3 rules will this new GT class be? Will they be identical in specification to GT3 cars that run in IMSA, GTWC, ADAC, British GT etc or will they be modified in some way?
Personally i hope they dont modify the cars, just keep them the same as they'd run anywhere else. Of course, BOP is going to be a nightmare imo. |
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We get it, you want everyone to agree with you but it appears few do and zero will actually pay so for the love of all that is holy, GIVE IT A REST.
Obviously GT3 works or there wouldn't be multiple series using it. Adding extra crap just to pretend to be "better" and increasing the costs to run seems like the dumbest possible idea. Basically recreating GTE that no one wants any longer other than Corvette so they don't need to make cars. Cause I haven't seen a fully new GTE enter the field since I guess Ford and that went well. |
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