V8 Supercars back to TEN in 2015!!!!! (Merged x6)

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

havent seen one ad for this weekends PI Round on 7

Cant wait to next year

I bet the 2/3rds of the Australian population that dont have Foxtel feel differently Pecky

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I bet the 2/3rds of the Australian population that dont have Foxtel feel differently Pecky

Actually more people have access to foxtel than FTA. they just make a choice not to access it

Personally i dont care though

But for most of them there will be no change. No HD, no live qualyfying, and just a highlights package.

But for the other third we get so much more than now.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Personally i dont care though

And this sums it up perfectly - thanks for the contribution to the forum

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

And this sums it up perfectly - thanks for the contribution to the forum

your welcome, you dont care either

did i mention the end of time certain finishes, that will be awesome

[bluesport]

Will public interest in the series diminish due to the decision to go to foxtel?........maybe.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Will public interest in the series diminish due to the decision to go to foxtel?........maybe.

maybe it will improve. Every round is on FTA

[chavez]

Originally Posted by peckstar

your welcome, you dont care either

did i mention the end of time certain finishes, that will be awesome

Will that apply to the support races?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by chavez

Will that apply to the support races?

highly doubtful, and logically support races will always be time certain

[Wrighty05]

Originally Posted by racer69

Uncle Doug's best came at Phillip Island in 1994 after the wet first race.

Doug was soaked after running through the rain from the commentary box to the studio, and told Mike Raymond on air that "I havn't been this wet since I watched Basic Instinct"

Bathurst 1988:

"7 sport gives good head......light cam".

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Will public interest in the series diminish due to the decision to go to foxtel?........maybe.

Looking at sports around the world that have moved a lot of their programming to Pay TV the "Canary in the coal mine" is sponsorship dollars both of competitors and for the series.Attendance has often increased short term as some people don't have access to full coverage.Sponsors on the other hand who can see a large part of their exposure reduced decide the sponsorship no longer holds the same value for them.
Long term moving something off FTA to Pay (although V8's will still have Proper FTA coverage of their biggest events) has been shown often to be a sport killer for all but the top football code in each country.

[mayhem]

Rumour this morning has Beretta heading to Ten...

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Alan52

Looking at sports around the world that have moved a lot of their programming to Pay TV the "Canary in the coal mine" is sponsorship dollars both of competitors and for the series.Attendance has often increased short term as some people don't have access to full coverage.Sponsors on the other hand who can see a large part of their exposure reduced decide the sponsorship no longer holds the same value for them.
Long term moving something off FTA to Pay (although V8's will still have Proper FTA coverage of their biggest events) has been shown often to be a sport killer for all but the top football code in each country.

Thanks Alan, that's an interesting and informative post.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Alan52

Looking at sports around the world that have moved a lot of their programming to Pay TV the "Canary in the coal mine" is sponsorship dollars both of competitors and for the series.Attendance has often increased short term as some people don't have access to full coverage.Sponsors on the other hand who can see a large part of their exposure reduced decide the sponsorship no longer holds the same value for them.
Long term moving something off FTA to Pay (although V8's will still have Proper FTA coverage of their biggest events) has been shown often to be a sport killer for all but the top football code in each country.

Firstly all v8 events are on FTA not just the biggest (however some are not live)

secondly the biggest football codes in the country all have some games on FTA and some on pay a significant difference to V8's

This means that the two are not really comparable

With v8s there is almost no reduction in exposure for sponsors (in fact possibly there is more exposure with no ads and practice now being shown on pay).

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by peckstar

your welcome, you dont care either

did i mention the end of time certain finishes, that will be awesome

The time certain finishes in the Championship races has got worse in the last 2 years as Channel 7 have wanted to avoid at all costs races finishing 20 minutes before telecast end time.This has meant only 4-5 laps under safety car have meant reduced race distances which is a farce in the fuel critical longer races as well as a bad deal for paying spectators.By the way this was the first year since 1998 that Bathurst didn't have atimecertain finish in the Supp Regs.From 2007 until 2012 it was 5.15 and then changed to 5.45 in 2013.
The Support races are a different situation as they now have time certain finishes even out of TV times.This year they have structured them in such a way that even 1 lap under Safety Car causes a reduction in race laps.They need to add 5-6 minutes for each support to give them some leeway.It is not as though there aren't long gaps of nothing in the schedules to make this possible.This reached complete farce at Bathurst this year when on Friday and Saturday for all supports except Dunlops-which have a different procedure- the cars weren't allowed to leave the pits for their lap to the grid until the time listed in the Supp Regs as race start time.This meant it was impossible for any class to reach scheduled distance even with all green running.Someone must have pointed this out to the clown in control on Sunday morning as the 3 support races were allowed to the grid to start at scheduled time.

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Firstly all v8 events are on FTA not just the biggest (however some are not live)

secondly the biggest football codes in the country all have some games on FTA and some on pay a significant difference to V8's

This means that the two are not really comparable

With v8s there is almost no reduction in exposure for sponsors (in fact possibly there is more exposure with no ads and practice now being shown on pay).

I said "proper " coverage.The highlights packages particularly on Sunday with a 8.30 air time don't fit this description.
The football examples are not related to Australia but Asia and Europe where the penetration of Pay is higher anyway.They do not have Australia's anti siphoning laws which stop major domestic sports being taken off FTA.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Alan52

The time certain finishes in the Championship races has got worse in the last 2 years as Channel 7 have wanted to avoid at all costs races finishing 20 minutes before telecast end time.This has meant only 4-5 laps under safety car have meant reduced race distances which is a farce in the fuel critical longer races as well as a bad deal for paying spectators.By the way this was the first year since 1998 that Bathurst didn't have atimecertain finish in the Supp Regs.From 2007 until 2012 it was 5.15 and then changed to 5.45 in 2013.
The Support races are a different situation as they now have time certain finishes even out of TV times.This year they have structured them in such a way that even 1 lap under Safety Car causes a reduction in race laps.They need to add 5-6 minutes for each support to give them some leeway.It is not as though there aren't long gaps of nothing in the schedules to make this possible.This reached complete farce at Bathurst this year when on Friday and Saturday for all supports except Dunlops-which have a different procedure- the cars weren't allowed to leave the pits for their lap to the grid until the time listed in the Supp Regs as race start time.This meant it was impossible for any class to reach scheduled distance even with all green running.Someone must have pointed this out to the clown in control on Sunday morning as the 3 support races were allowed to the grid to start at scheduled time.

Mr Warburton showed how much of a stuff he gives about support races in last weeks Auto Action (not much)

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Alan52

I said "proper " coverage.The highlights packages particularly on Sunday with a 8.30 air time don't fit this description.
The football examples are not related to Australia but Asia and Europe where the penetration of Pay is higher anyway.They do not have Australia's anti siphoning laws which stop major domestic sports being taken off FTA.

Sunday race highlights package will be shown at 4pm as well as 8.30 and 11.30

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Sunday race highlights package will be shown at 4pm as well as 8.30 and 11.30

Will people be bothered to watch it though?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Will people be bothered to watch it though?

of course they will, why wouldnt they

[billybanana]

Mark down 31 Dec 2015. That's when the current Broadcasting Services Amendment Bill ie: anti-siphoning laws expire. Will be interesting to see the arguments/negotiation during the course of next year in preparation for a new agreement.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by billybanana

Mark down 31 Dec 2015. That's when the current Broadcasting Services Amendment Bill ie: anti-siphoning laws expire. Will be interesting to see the arguments/negotiation during the course of next year in preparation for a new agreement.

Will this have much affect on v8 supercars. my recollection is only bathurst is protected now, open to correction

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by peckstar

of course they will, why wouldnt they

Because it's not live, just a replay.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Because it's not live, just a replay.

Will the average viewer care? Highly doubtful

And many will love the shortened package and not having to spend a whole afternoon sorting through the fillers

[billybanana]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Will this have much affect on v8 supercars. my recollection is only bathurst is protected now, open to correction

Bathurst remains the only tier A event which must be shown live on the primary FTA channel. Of the others the only events that remain on the list are Clipsal, AGP, Phillip Island and Sydney 500. All the other rounds were removed earlier this year from the list to allow Ch7 to show only on a multi channel ie: 7Mate.

I expect by the time the next deal rolls around Bathurst will indeed be the only event you will see live on FTA.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Because it's not live, just a replay.

I watch the replay on Foxtel now. I get to see it in HD and listen to Noonan call the race while Ch7 were showing ads.

Next year I will probably record some/most races as well to watch when I want.