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Old 26 Mar 2018, 18:17 (Ref:3811026)   #1
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Moffat confirmed in the Alfa, Laser Tools Racing to run the cars : https://www.touringcartimes.com/2018...lfa-programme/
Interesting wording.

News of a two car Alfa Romeo programme was revealed last week, with the DPE Motorsport outfit set to run the cars for Aiden Moffat and Derek Palmer Jr.

It has now been confirmed however that the programme will be run by the same squad behind Moffat’s BTCC effort, with the two Romeo Ferraris-developed cars being entered under the Laser Tools Racing banner.


Derek Palmer's team sacked before race 1?
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Old 26 Mar 2018, 18:30 (Ref:3811036)   #2
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Hmmmm... Are we really, cutting to the chase, saying Ciceley are running a pair of cars?
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Old 26 Mar 2018, 21:21 (Ref:3811087)   #3
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Hmmmm... Are we really, cutting to the chase, saying Ciceley are running a pair of cars?
Ciceley don't run the Laser Tools Merc on race weekends.
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Old 27 Mar 2018, 13:58 (Ref:3811252)   #4
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So 13 entries so far? Not great, but nowhere near as bad as it was a few weeks ago. Good to see Moffat give it a go, will give future tin top drivers someone to mark themselves against and be a boost for the series.

Well done to the organisers for sticking with it, even when it was looking hopeless. Just remember BTCC only had 12 cars in 05 to begin with, and although it never got beyond 18 that season, the next season they had something like 26 on the grid, which was the most since the mid 90s. No reason why TCR UK, with the right plans can grow
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Old 27 Mar 2018, 14:03 (Ref:3811254)   #5
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So 13 entries so far? Not great, but nowhere near as bad as it was a few weeks ago.
Hold up, to be clear, 13 entries for the first round.
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Old 27 Mar 2018, 20:53 (Ref:3811342)   #6
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Hold up, to be clear, 13 entries for the first round.
Three of those are only for the first round, and a further two are not full season entries.
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Old 27 Mar 2018, 21:29 (Ref:3811350)   #7
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Three of those are only for the first round, and a further two are not full season entries.
yes.
just 8 full season entries
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Old 27 Mar 2018, 14:04 (Ref:3811256)   #8
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Old 27 Mar 2018, 22:02 (Ref:3811359)   #9
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Great to see some continued positivity in this thread at last!
Here here!!
I have never seen such negativity/knocking of a series on tenths before?
If it works elsewhere around the globe we can be assured that it will work here. Perhaps it will take a season to bed in.
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Old 28 Mar 2018, 08:42 (Ref:3811434)   #10
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I have never seen such negativity/knocking of a series on tenths before?
Might be worth searching for the threads on SCV8 and T1 touring car championships

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If it works elsewhere around the globe we can be assured that it will work here. Perhaps it will take a season to bed in.
Where it works it's the top of the tree though - here it isn't - and the cost is higher than some of the BTCC drives and more than the BTCC supports (that have better exposure than TCR). So whilst the cars look good and widely available is there any real benefit to running in TCR over something on the BTCC package?

FWIW I hope it does take off and they get a 20+ car grid (watching TCR when it comes to Brands has got to be better than a weekend of gardening/DIY - which is often what I end up doing if there's no racing worth watching).
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Old 27 Mar 2018, 21:39 (Ref:3811355)   #11
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Not sure if it has been mentioned yet but I saw a snippet saying a media event launch thingy will happen this Friday at the circuit before the weekend kicks off properly.
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Old 28 Mar 2018, 09:05 (Ref:3811437)   #12
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Are the costs really higher than running a BTCC car?
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Old 28 Mar 2018, 10:43 (Ref:3811457)   #13
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Personally i cant imagine so because id presume that TCR UK will see less damage and less track time but to be honest, who knows.

Here you can view a parts price list for the old TCR Civic http://www.kronosevents.be/documents...27-11-2015.pdf
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Old 28 Mar 2018, 10:50 (Ref:3811459)   #14
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Are the costs really higher than running a BTCC car?
For a front running BTCC car? No. For a tail ender? Apparently so.
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Old 28 Mar 2018, 11:42 (Ref:3811477)   #15
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For a front running BTCC car? No. For a tail ender? Apparently so.
Creates an interesting question. Put yourself in one of two scenarios:

1. You're a hot young talent, but underfunded (lets say a Jake Hill type).
2. Your a gentleman driver who won't be troubling the front end of the grid, but want maximum business exposure (lets say a Martin Depper type)

Given the greater prestige, coverage and audiences I can't really see why anyone would choose TCRUK over the BTCC.

A front-running car in TCR vs a Team Hard or AMD (with no disrespect intended to those teams) drive? Which would you choose?
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Old 28 Mar 2018, 11:58 (Ref:3811481)   #16
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A front-running car in TCR vs a Team Hard or AMD (with no disrespect intended to those teams) drive? Which would you choose?
That's the question isn't it?

If you go for TCR and win then you can put "Champion" on your racing cv - might not matter so much to the gentleman driver but for a young gun it may help with getting more money out of sponsors (and therefore allow you to get into a better BTCC car than your original budget would have allowed).
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Too late for that now, the horse has bolted.

Quite simply they are trying to sell a product into a crowded market, they've dismally failed with marketing and the costs are not much of a saving over a well known household alternative. Add lack of a unique selling point, no big name drivers or teams and you're lacking box office appeal.

I have VIP tickets and the reality is I don't think I'm going to waste my time and money going... unless I'm seriously bored by then. Allotment could do with some work...
I think one thing it does show (and to be honest I don't think this is something we didn't already know) is the absolute dominance that the BTCC has on the UK racing scene in terms of marketing and exposure- Given the scenarios that 850Estate suggested a few posts back...

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Creates an interesting question. Put yourself in one of two scenarios:

1. You're a hot young talent, but underfunded (lets say a Jake Hill type).
2. Your a gentleman driver who won't be troubling the front end of the grid, but want maximum business exposure (lets say a Martin Depper type)

Given the greater prestige, coverage and audiences I can't really see why anyone would choose TCRUK over the BTCC.

A front-running car in TCR vs a Team Hard or AMD (with no disrespect intended to those teams) drive? Which would you choose?
....it genuinely does seem that the ambitious young tin-top racer would rather spend his/her budget on a season of finishing somewhere around 15th in the BTCC, presumably hoping that it will bring enough TV exposure to help find the sponsorship needed to buy a more competitive ride for next year, than taking a different route and actually standing the chance of winning something...
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I think one thing it does show (and to be honest I don't think this is something we didn't already know) is the absolute dominance that the BTCC has on the UK racing scene in terms of marketing and exposure- Given the scenarios that 850Estate suggested a few posts back...



....it genuinely does seem that the ambitious young tin-top racer would rather spend his/her budget on a season of finishing somewhere around 15th in the BTCC, presumably hoping that it will bring enough TV exposure to help find the sponsorship needed to buy a more competitive ride for next year, than taking a different route and actually standing the chance of winning something...
Especially now the btcc gives points to 15th, there's the Jack Sears Trophy for a podium visit and the reverse grid now goes down to 12th. Midfielders now have some more things to aim for.
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Are the costs really higher than running a BTCC car?
Certainly if we're talking Continental jollying. Young Josh Price will tell you that. For UK I think you're potentiality at or around #HARD money, although paying Tony for a ride is just that: a ride. The motor ain't yours to keep.
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...37872516304232

Just published. 13 for round 1.
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so that’s confirmed; only 9 full season entries
doesn’t matter how anyone wants to dress it up, thats just pathetic
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so that’s confirmed; only 9 full season entries
doesn’t matter how anyone wants to dress it up, thats just pathetic
Thanks for posting that, again.

So out of curiosity what woukd you suggest the organisers do differently to get a bigger field?
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Thanks for posting that, again.

So out of curiosity what woukd you suggest the organisers do differently to get a bigger field?
By not throwing in yet ANOTHER championship/series into an already highly congested mess that is UK club racing.
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so that’s confirmed; only 9 full season entries
doesn’t matter how anyone wants to dress it up, thats just pathetic
Almost as pathetic as what the BTCC had in 2001 with the BTC-T class which i believe had less than 9 of the full season entries the TCR UK has (For a main class btw). Look where that is now

I hope TCR UK does prove successful over the coming years and the fact that the 1st round is actually happening should be applauded. There have been a few upstarts that have tried but never got to the first round.
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