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Paradise City · 29 Oct 2012, 17:38 (Ref:3159662)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

You might be right but it is a leap of faith to think any one of these morons is smart enough to pull something like that off. They can't even fire someone properly.

Tony is being invited back by Mama Hulman who feels guilty and wants to kiss and make up with her boy.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Oct 2012, 17:46 (Ref:3159665)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

New article from Miller:

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...ars-stupidity/

That's a very scathing article and I can't find myself disagreeing with Robin Miller.

Jacques Rabbit · 29 Oct 2012, 18:09 (Ref:3159674)

Both Curt Cavin and Peter M. De Lorenzo's articles suggest this has nothing to do with Tony George.

George was not on Cavin's list of possible candidates. De Lorenzo indicated good things could be coming.

http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...ho-might-next-

http://www.autoextremist.com/fumes1/

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Oct 2012, 18:25 (Ref:3159685)

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Originally Posted by Jacques Rabbit

Both Curt Cavin and Peter M. De Lorenzo's articles suggest this has nothing to do with Tony George.

George was not on Cavin's list of possible candidates. De Lorenzo indicated good things could be coming.

http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...ho-might-next-

http://www.autoextremist.com/fumes1/

Out of all the possibilities on Cavin's list Scott Atherton looks to have the best background.

So some Motor City grandee says, "good things are to come in IndyCar, stay tuned." Are we going to see a return of cars like this, as featured at the bottom of the article?

JHamilton · 29 Oct 2012, 18:25 (Ref:3159686)

Who would want the job at this point? If I was Atherton and they called, I would just laugh and hang up.

Paradise City · 29 Oct 2012, 21:53 (Ref:3159793)

You'd want to be mad to take that job or it might attract someone inept and willing to take home a bag of gold. Still think George is a shoe-in or him running a proxy. If not, Bernard's firing defies even the logic of lunatics.

Penske should snap it up and get a crony to run it. I appreciate that's probably not in his mind though.

JohnSSC · 29 Oct 2012, 22:09 (Ref:3159795)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Out of all the possibilities on Cavin's list Scott Atherton looks to have the best background.

So some Motor City grandee says, "good things are to come in IndyCar, stay tuned." Are we going to see a return of cars like this, as featured at the bottom of the article?

Scott Atherton????!!!!! OH MY GAWD! The guy that bravely talked each year at Petit LeMans about the Great Leap Forward ALMS was going to make next season? The man who led ALMS to an Unholy Alliance with Grand-Am? The man who promised new and super-gigunda sponsors every season? The guy who promotes the 437 separate racing classes for the series?

Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ. If y'all thought RB had his drawbacks...

JohnSSC · 29 Oct 2012, 22:15 (Ref:3159801)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

Me too. There are some good teams and drivers in the series and that is why I continue to follow it. It gets more difficult every year. These guys make IMSA look like NASA... and I mean the space organization.

It is not fair to compare IMSA to IndyCar. I mean, for a while (albeit briefly, I admit) IMSA was awesome! GT and GTU, The Radial Stock Series (Hornets and Gremlins on the the banking at Daytona!!) was terrific in its heyday and where else could you see David Hobbs, Peter Gregg, Diego Fiebles, Danny Ongais & Company week in and week out.

They had their problems and their share of misery later but for a time it was the best show around...

No, the buffoons at the Hulman/George/IndyCar Braintrust could never have come up with anything THAT successful. Not ever.

JohnSSC · 29 Oct 2012, 22:19 (Ref:3159802)

Here is how far IndyCar has fallen:

Time was Bernard being fired would have gotten its own thread.

We are all so tired of this crap we can't even be bothered to do that...

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Oct 2012, 23:50 (Ref:3159845)

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Originally Posted by JohnSSC

Scott Atherton????!!!!! OH MY GAWD! The guy that bravely talked each year at Petit LeMans about the Great Leap Forward ALMS was going to make next season? The man who led ALMS to an Unholy Alliance with Grand-Am? The man who promised new and super-gigunda sponsors every season? The guy who promotes the 437 separate racing classes for the series?

Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ. If y'all thought RB had his drawbacks...

He's got to be better than TG, Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ or otherwise.

Down F0rce · 30 Oct 2012, 00:26 (Ref:3159863)

Wake me up when the racing starts.

Paradise City · 30 Oct 2012, 00:45 (Ref:3159873)

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Originally Posted by Down F0rce

Wake me up when the racing starts.

You don't happen to be unemployed by any chance? Because I know of a job going.

JohnSSC · 30 Oct 2012, 03:04 (Ref:3159925)

Saw this wire service story tonight. If you were wondering how clueless the owners are, the quote by Floyd Ganassi at the end of the article sums up how much of the pond he believes that he occupies. Penske's lament is pretty amusing as well. I am sure he just had no idea in his pretty little head that any of this could possibly happen.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

And by the way, I no more buy the TG was just going to be a little old board member any more than I think that I will wake up tomorrow with huge pectoral muscles...

JohnSSC · 30 Oct 2012, 03:20 (Ref:3159928)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

He's got to be better than TG, Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ or otherwise.

Never tempt worse. It IS possible to have worse than TG...I know that can be hard to fathom as TG was pretty sucktastic, but so were a lot of those other cats...

Paradise City · 30 Oct 2012, 10:39 (Ref:3160055)

I'd see Scott Atherton as a competent puppet. I'd sooner him than George. No absolute problem on that score.

Tony George resigned in order to lead out a buy-out consortium. Now maybe that fool's consortium then floundered after he resigned and he has marooned himself out of power. Nice if it did happen.

JohnSSC · 30 Oct 2012, 11:46 (Ref:3160077)

TG was welcomed back into the fold after the previous disaster. IF the buyout attempt is over, I am sure he will be returning to the fold...

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 Oct 2012, 13:34 (Ref:3160130)

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Originally Posted by JohnSSC

Never tempt worse. It IS possible to have worse than TG...I know that can be hard to fathom as TG was pretty sucktastic, but so were a lot of those other cats...

True and it is possible to have worse than TG but the fact is this whole sorry mess started with TG; buyer beware.

JohnSSC · 30 Oct 2012, 14:11 (Ref:3160143)

This whole sorry mess started way before TG. No question he is a culprit, but no question, many of the same people are still involved.

TWRv12 · 30 Oct 2012, 14:16 (Ref:3160145)

Pretty universal bad press
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...pread/1667231/

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 Oct 2012, 14:22 (Ref:3160148)

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Originally Posted by JohnSSC

This whole sorry mess started way before TG. No question he is a culprit, but no question, many of the same people are still involved.

I thought CART did quite a good job up until the split.

JohnSSC · 30 Oct 2012, 14:33 (Ref:3160152)

Don't forget that CART was a split from USAC, led by some of the same team owners (see Penske, Roger) who then went through a myriad of leaders as the owners squabbled about who would actually run the show. Then TG came along for Split Redux, with even more squabbling. Then reunification and, surprise! More squabbling from owners like Penske, Mikey and Floyd "Crisis, What Crisis?" Ganassi.

The real surprise here is not that the "split" ruined CART but that CART succeeded at all. All the infighting before, during and since seems to be par for the course.

This time I think they have infought their way to irrelevance and possibly non-existence. They don't need a new president. They need an Exorcist.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 Oct 2012, 14:50 (Ref:3160159)

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Originally Posted by JohnSSC

Don't forget that CART was a split from USAC, led by some of the same team owners (see Penske, Roger) who then went through a myriad of leaders as the owners squabbled about who would actually run the show. Then TG came along for Split Redux, with even more squabbling. Then reunification and, surprise! More squabbling from owners like Penske, Mikey and Floyd "Crisis, What Crisis?" Ganassi.

The real surprise here is not that the "split" ruined CART but that CART succeeded at all. All the infighting before, during and since seems to be par for the course.

This time I think they have infought their way to irrelevance and possibly non-existence. They don't need a new president. They need an Exorcist.

I know CART split from USAC. 'They need an Exorcist',

, couldn't agree more.

MagVanisher · 30 Oct 2012, 15:39 (Ref:3160182)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I know CART split from USAC. 'They need an Exorcist',

, couldn't agree more.

Once the series is already exorcise, NASCAR would take over and close it for good... But that's my opinion.

Imagine Indy 500 with stockcars... That can't be good!

Anyways, they need someone who can shut those douchebags up! Something like Mr. Bernie...

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 Oct 2012, 16:39 (Ref:3160204)

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Originally Posted by MagVanisher

Once the series is already exorcise, NASCAR would take over and close it for good... But that's my opinion.

Imagine Indy 500 with stockcars... That can't be good!

Anyways, they need someone who can shut those douchebags up! Something like Mr. Bernie...

Personally I don't think Bernie could give a damn.

MagVanisher · 30 Oct 2012, 17:18 (Ref:3160215)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Personally I don't think Bernie could give a damn.

No, I meant having the same levels as Mr. Bernie, not the Bernie in person.

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