WEC Toyota LMP1 Discussion - Page 250

J Jay · 1 Apr 2018, 19:05 (Ref:3812357)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/0...r-le-mans.html

It'd still be more legal than that rotating rear wing they ran in 2014...

This one gets a thumbs up from me, the best of the lot from DSC this year.

TF110 · 1 Apr 2018, 20:58 (Ref:3812375)

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Originally Posted by J Jay

It'd still be more legal than that rotating rear wing they ran in 2014...

This one gets a thumbs up from me, the best of the lot from DSC this year.

That wing was pretty legal, because it used the wording of the rules in a clever way. The widebody would have to add new words to the rules

If they did that, everyone would say Toyota writes the rules, literally

Akrapovic · 2 Apr 2018, 16:34 (Ref:3812514)

Well. Strictly speaking, that wing was outlawed because it moved, and no aero parts may move. And since it never came back, it couldn't have been that legal.

ACO just didn't want to cause a major upset and admit they missed it in the tech checks during Le Mans week. Got away with it due to circumnavigating the testing equipment, rather than building to the rules.

TF110 · 2 Apr 2018, 20:50 (Ref:3812558)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Well. Strictly speaking, that wing was outlawed because it moved, and no aero parts may move. And since it never came back, it couldn't have been that legal.

ACO just didn't want to cause a major upset and admit they missed it in the tech checks during Le Mans week. Got away with it due to circumnavigating the testing equipment, rather than building to the rules.

I was just saying it was 'legal' because it passed tech and scrutineering then raced. They kinda caught the ACO in a bind! Afterwards it was definitely illegal since they wrote better wording to disallow it

I wonder if there will be anything questionable this year in any of the lmp1's? Little tricks like that and the blown diffuser of the Audi were cool to see.

Deleted · 3 Apr 2018, 14:45 (Ref:3812644)

https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/stat...61309038399489

Deleted · 4 Apr 2018, 20:54 (Ref:3812890)

We've spoken before of which races we think Toyota may win and which lose. Well now that they've neutered Sebring distance to be just mere 2 hours (or less) more than regular 6 hour race, I think that's going to make it almost as straightforward as the rest of the sprint races. Even acknowledging the harshness of the track surface - which Toyota has never even touched - making it 4-5 hours shorter than originally projected is going to weaken the chances of shock surprises considerably.

Maybe if one of the privateers brings out a special-for-Sebring uber aero kit, which they can do per nonhybrid regulations, there could be some sort of performance advantage, but I'm not sure if anyone going to bother with heroics for just that one event when they'll be busy preparing for Le Mans 2019. The event does give 1.25x points but that's not much more than regular 6 hour race really

So I now think Toyota will win every race except probably Le Mans. There their chances are about as good as the ones of ByKolles

TF110 · 4 Apr 2018, 21:08 (Ref:3812899)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

We've spoken before of which races we think Toyota may win and which lose. Well now that they've neutered Sebring distance to be just mere 2 hours (or less) more than regular 6 hour race, I think that's going to make it almost as straightforward as the rest of the sprint races. Even acknowledging the harshness of the track surface - which Toyota has never even touched - making it 4-5 hours shorter than originally projected is going to weaken the chances of shock surprises considerably.

Maybe if one of the privateers brings out a special-for-Sebring uber aero kit, which they can do per nonhybrid regulations, there could be some sort of performance advantage, but I'm not sure if anyone going to bother with heroics for just that one event when they'll be busy preparing for Le Mans 2019. The event does give 1.25x points but that's not much more than regular 6 hour race really

So I now think Toyota will win every race except probably Le Mans. There their chances are about as good as the ones of ByKolles

I think they will win every race including Le Mans. But I don't think they'll be walkovers. I think the newer cars will have reliability troubles before they can finish a 24 hour race, but by Sebring they should have that ironed out. So I think by the end of this year and the beginning of next, they will have some good competition for the victory and that top speed will be really interesting at Le Mans especially. Spa, Fuji and Shanghai as well.

Deleted · 4 Apr 2018, 21:14 (Ref:3812902)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I think they will win every race including Le Mans. But I don't think they'll be walkovers. I think the newer cars will have reliability troubles before they can finish a 24 hour race, but by Sebring they should have that ironed out. So I think by the end of this year and the beginning of next, they will have some good competition for the victory and that top speed will be really interesting at Le Mans especially. Spa, Fuji and Shanghai as well.

Let's hope there will be no neutered performances anywhere.

I forgot to say that while the LMP1 field is pretty much fixed for this year, there might be additional cars lined up for Sebring if they are entered for Le Mans 2019 and/or for the following 19-20 season, so that might have potential effect

If there will be "additional cars", perhaps the addition of extra test day at Sebring - which was announced today - is carrot that somewhat compensates for the shortened event itself

roderick · 5 Apr 2018, 08:25 (Ref:3812944)

I hear Alex and Anthony will be driving for the event this weekend!
Wonder how Alex will perform after all these years!

Deleted · 5 Apr 2018, 14:17 (Ref:3812988)

Non suprisingly no high-df homologation until post-LM
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/t...ownforce-aero/

chernaudi · 5 Apr 2018, 16:51 (Ref:3813020)

Even though it seems that they're testing the 2017 high downforce car at the Prologue based on photos alongside the LM variant.

TF110 · 5 Apr 2018, 17:31 (Ref:3813041)

The LM kit has gotten a new set of mini-diveplanes

canaglia · 5 Apr 2018, 17:46 (Ref:3813048)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Non suprisingly no high-df homologation until post-LM
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/t...ownforce-aero/

honestly toyota could even use LD bodywork for the whole season without any real concern

chernaudi · 7 Apr 2018, 12:10 (Ref:3813570)

Toyota's early times were due to the ACO allowing them to run nearly unrestricted to stress test cooling system parts according to Racecar Engineering and DSC.

JoeW04 · 7 Apr 2018, 14:27 (Ref:3813613)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Toyota's early times were due to the ACO allowing them to run nearly unrestricted to stress test cooling system parts according to Racecar Engineering and DSC.

If that's the case then I wish they hadn't of timed them or put the times in the results that we can all see, confused the situation some what

Deleted · 7 Apr 2018, 15:38 (Ref:3813640)

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/v...s-at-prologue/

He denied allegations that the Japanese manufacturer deliberately ran the cars out of compliance to push the LMP1 non-hybrids to its limits.

Interesting theory regardless I guess

kvenom · 7 Apr 2018, 15:43 (Ref:3813643)

I’m all for competition and close racing, but I’m also Somewhat sad to see the pinnacle of sports cars pegged back so much.

Deleted · 7 Apr 2018, 15:44 (Ref:3813644)

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Originally Posted by kvenom

I’m all for competition and close racing, but I’m also Somewhat sad to see the pinnacle of sports cars pegged back so much.

At least it's hybrid vs non hybrid as whole, not individual cars like the out of the hat nonsense in DPi, race-by-race

**Aysedasi** · 7 Apr 2018, 16:35 (Ref:3813674)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/v...s-at-prologue/

He denied allegations that the Japanese manufacturer deliberately ran the cars out of compliance to push the LMP1 non-hybrids to its limits.

Interesting theory regardless I guess

Don't we all love a good conspiracy theory when we have no idea of the facts. Makes for a good story on sportscar365, I guess......

TF110 · 7 Apr 2018, 17:31 (Ref:3813708)

The #7 low-downforce set it's 1:34 on lap 15 of a 17 lap stint. The #8's 1:32 came on a 3 lap stint though. Looking at the times on the alkamelsystems site, the #8 was doing 3 and 4 lap stints the whole morning.

When Toyota was running 'legally' it's best was a 1:38.1 which came during it's long endurance run by the #7.

canaglia · 7 Apr 2018, 20:26 (Ref:3813760)

Forget about #8 numbers.... car was HD and unrestricted. Really not helpful at all.

Anyway, guess #7 never tried a real full time attack. My bet about their best performance is high 1.35 - 1.36 vs private low 1.37.

Best new is that race trim pace is really close between toyota and best privates.

TF110 · 8 Apr 2018, 21:13 (Ref:3814208)

Unless they were holding back. Even during the in-laps their top speed was around 315kmh on the long runs. It's always been higher on in-laps every single race. There's nothing that should have changed just because they have less fuel. I think they were running to a delta and the 'slow' times can be explained by that plus the high wind.

**joeb** · 8 Apr 2018, 22:22 (Ref:3814221)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Don't we all love a good conspiracy theory when we have no idea of the facts. Makes for a good story on sportscar365, I guess......

So what is the current state of this? Was the car actually run outside of the regulations, do we even know? Or did Toyota just say that after smoking the field with a legal car so that they didn't get help for the privateers?

Acid09 · 8 Apr 2018, 23:33 (Ref:3814229)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Or did Toyota just say that after smoking the field with a legal car so that they didn't get help for the privateers?

Doubtful, Toyota is actually interested in having some level of competition, remember their commitment to the WEC was pending on the rules giving privateers a fair chance to compete with them.

No one wins if they would have as much of an advantage as the lap times suggests, that would be terrible news for the series and not good for TMG either. I think ideally they want to have the option to be quicker than the competition if needed but I can't see the desire to run circles around them, that would simply not be beneficial for anybody.

TF110 · 9 Apr 2018, 03:05 (Ref:3814261)

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Originally Posted by joeb

So what is the current state of this? Was the car actually run outside of the regulations, do we even know? Or did Toyota just say that after smoking the field with a legal car so that they didn't get help for the privateers?

If they just said it because they were too fast, I can see that being an excuse so they don't get even more negative eot. But I think they ran the hybrid at a higher level than what was allowed per lap. So maybe they ran it at a full 8mj per lap instead of the 4 or 5mj they're allowed due to the track distance.

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