Sportscar/GT (and Le Mans) Rumours and Repetition

[TF110]

With that car shape he wont be in lmp1.

[gustavobamba]

I´m not talking about the race SCG 003, i´m talking about a new lmp1 car.. new design

[MagVanisher]

I'm hoping that Jim Glickenhaus would be fine in LMP1-L, or make amends (and reconcile) with Ferrari to supply them with engines and ERS should they go in LMP1-H.

[carbon_titanium]

Originally Posted by MagVanisher

I'm hoping that Jim Glickenhaus would be fine in LMP1-L, or make amends (and reconcile) with Ferrari to supply them with engines and ERS should they go in LMP1-H.

Totally impossible! ferrari already denied racing engines supplying to glickenhaus P4/5 competizione in the past.
I guess that is easier to turn an lmp2 in an lmp1-L (T128->lotus lmp1 or the reverse r-one->oreca05) than develope from scratch a complete new car.

[MagVanisher]

Yeah, I know his situation with Ferrari back them. However, I'm worried that Jim Glickenhaus' LMP1 effort might crash and burn.

I hope he's fine being second-fiddle to the likes of Audi, Porsche, Nissan and Toyota!

[carbon_titanium]

If i were a team owner, interested to step in LMP1-L, I would buy an HPD ligier, switching for the AER V6 and then change suspensions to fit the car for michelin.

[MagVanisher]

Plausible, but it'll take a lot of money to retro-fit (or convert) a LMP2 car into LMP1 specifications!

If Glickenhaus has lots of wad to spend with, then he should go ahead!

[TF110]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

I´m not talking about the race SCG 003, i´m talking about a new lmp1 car.. new design

Is that his plan? I didnt know if he wanted to make another car (or two or 3).

[MitchZ06]

Gustavo is probably talking about something completely different cuz talking to Jim he's set on the SCG003 for now and doesn't want to go LMP racing.

[gustavobamba]

I don´t know anything at all… the new SCG 003 is a race car that will participate in 24h nurburgring in the experimental category.

If Mr. G wants to go to LMP1 (like someone said in a article) the car must be compliant with the LMP1 rules.. the SCG 003 is not.

Thats it

[kurski]

26-year-old Simo Puhakka to run a CRG factory team karting, but said that not closed GT choice, because all ideas need to be open. Toni Vilander is his background support.

[Koenigsegg]

He wants to race the SCG 003 in the LMGTE class.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by Koenigsegg

He wants to race the SCG 003 in the LMGTE class.

That's not going to happen, the manufacturers will not be happy about that. As much as I like Glickenhaus I can see where the manufacturers are coming from, they've built their cars to the rules so why should someone be let in without doing the same?

[Starfish Primer]

Originally Posted by rich07

That's not going to happen, the manufacturers will not be happy about that. As much as I like Glickenhaus I can see where the manufacturers are coming from, they've built their cars to the rules so why should someone be let in without doing the same?

And they are right, today Glickenhaus, tomorrow Mooncraft and next week we have the Dauer Porsche 919 GTE. Let´s not repeat the errors from the past.

[Rcz]

It's what the DPs should have been.

Super Proto version of a GT cars.

[TF110]

Like last gen gt500's or late 90's gt1's imo.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by rich07

That's not going to happen, the manufacturers will not be happy about that. As much as I like Glickenhaus I can see where the manufacturers are coming from, they've built their cars to the rules so why should someone be let in without doing the same?

Why do you assume the SCG003 WON'T be built to the rules?

In any case, I suspect GT3 is the more likely ultimate destination for the car no matter what Glickenhaus wants.

Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

And they are right, today Glickenhaus, tomorrow Mooncraft and next week we have the Dauer Porsche 919 GTE. Let´s not repeat the errors from the past.

I honestly do not understand how any of those examples compare to a case where actually producing a road car is involved.

[DistortedSmile]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

I honestly do not understand how any of those examples compare to a case where actually producing a road car is involved.

Allowing this car into GTE would set a precedent for more homologation specials, because that's obviously what it is, just look at it, the Dauer 962 was technically a 'road car' too...

[GT6]

I doubt this will ever be allowed to race in any GT series, it appears to be a publicity generating idea and no more.

[MitchZ06]

It's designed to be a road car that you can take to a race event, put a roll cage in, put on slicks, swap the rear wing for an adjustable one and go racing. So it's not so much a homologation special as it is a dual purpose car as the car you could buy is also able to be used as a racecar.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Why do you assume the SCG003 WON'T be built to the rules?

The car might be built to the rules but Isn't there a minimum amount of road cars to be built before the car can be homologated? That'd be a big sticking point in this case. I believe it's 25 for small manufacturers such as this and that'd take some time.

Besides I doubt we'll see it at Le Mans whatever happens, it'll definitely be at the Nurburgring 24hrs whose rules are more flexible.

[Deleted]

Why this sudden burst of worrying about complying with rulebook when pretty much none of the current LMGTE cars are doing so anyway? Whatever, just let them in with waiver bag if you cannot have proper regulations in the first place. At least the Glickenhaus is exotic and is how upper performance GTs should look like

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

Allowing this car into GTE would set a precedent for more homologation specials, because that's obviously what it is, just look at it, the Dauer 962 was technically a 'road car' too...

So? If people want to make homologation specials, I say LET 'EM. If they meet the rules, then they should be allowed to race. Period.

As long as they don't use it to try and circumvent an element of the regulations(like Maserati tried to do by making the MC12 too wide), and they meet the production requirements, let it run. The rules exist for a reason - if LMGTE excludes cars that meet the rules just because it's a homologation special, then it might as well be a single-make class. I don't like slippery slope arguments -it's a logical fallacy for a reason- but I seriously have to ask where do we draw the line? The class is supposed to allow in anything that meets it's rules. Isn't it betraying that notion to ban this car?

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

So? If people want to make homologation specials, I say LET 'EM. If they meet the rules, then they should be allowed to race. Period.

As long as they don't use it to try and circumvent an element of the regulations(like Maserati tried to do by making the MC12 too wide), and they meet the production requirements, let it run. The rules exist for a reason - if LMGTE excludes cars that meet the rules just because it's a homologation special, then it might as well be a single-make class. I don't like slippery slope arguments -it's a logical fallacy for a reason- but I seriously have to ask where do we draw the line? The class is supposed to allow in anything that meets it's rules. Isn't it betraying that notion to ban this car?

Enough production models also need to be sold within years timeframe.

In any case, 'rules' haven't existed in LMGTE/2 for a long time. They are hollow guidelines. Back in the day what Maserati wanted to do - but wasn't allowed - for LMGT1 was nothing in comparison to the the crimes that are allowed today in the world of waivers and bop.

So again, might just as well hand them special waiver for production rules. Because who's to say it's any more wrong than the millions of Christmas gifts AMR or Porsche or BMW or Viper or the rest have under their hood already. And if big manufacturer X then comes crying wanting to race some one off prototype wolf in sheeps clothes "because Glickenhaus were allowed too", tell them to **** off . Because when your GT classes have not made any sense rules five in the last ~ five years, it's not like it could possibly get any worse.

[hondafan37]

You do not forget that now there is BOP in GTE. In the 90s there was not BOP.