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Personally I'd prefer to have the 56 fastest available cars whatever class they happen to be in but that's a pretty old fashioned opinion I guess.
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I’m intrigued by that comment, I know it is just an expression, but was Le Mans ever like this?
Thinking back to when there were millions of classes and sub classes there were some pretty slow cars racing, but were they the fastest that were entered. Or was it just a case of we have 50 odd entries let then all race, |
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According with Motorsport Aktuell 47/ 2017 , Revellion could be back in LMP1 with Oreca and a modified Gibson engine.
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Gibson are still offering their 4.5 liter V8 that made 700bhp per their claims, but that was with an air restrictor instead of fuel flow. That engine would need the same mods as the re-worked Judd V10.
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These new lmp1's will be in the 350kmh range if were looking at them having at least 100hp more than the current lmp2's. It's no wonder teams are licking their chops. P2 was capable of a qualifying time in the 3:25's, and ByKolles with it's older chassis and brand new engine was even faster. How are Toyota going to hold them back? They'll get the jump on them initially with the hybrid, but by the time they reach the braking zones these new p1's will probably be right with them if not ahead. They'll need less lifting and coasting, they have their full power at all times, and they get an aerodynamic advantage in the rules.
I think Toyota will be faster in lap time overall, but they'll have to make gains in order to not be a sitting duck on the straights. I can't wait to see how this plays out. |
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Toyota will be 1sec faster than other non hybrid P1 cars However, this means, Other P1 will be able to catch up to Toyota and will cause hard time over taking each other. I hope not, but next year's Leman is going to be chaotic! |
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I agree, either they make all P1 coast at the end of the straight or even better allow them more fuel (MJ) per lap so no one have to coast.
Fuel flow rules alone are not main problem for coasting it's the ratio between power (fuel flow) and energy (fuel per lap). Correct the ratio and you get more safety, because you avoid close contacts with P2, like Lapiere and many others had. |
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New Aston Martin Vantage V8 GTE seen at Sebring, and testing on Michelin tires instead of Dunlop which is what AMR runs in the WEC.
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AMR definitely struggled in the past two-three races (especially in the wet at Fuji). They might be considering a switch back to the Michelins with their new car. On another note, let's hope this new car can do without the insane BoP advantages like Vantage needs to stay competitive.
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The Vantage was also ancient the past couple of seasons. You have to remember that the car was designed when Ford was sole owner of Aston Martin. AM until the DB11 also kept re-hashing the DB9 under various names and facelifts.
At least the investments made into the company in recent years has allowed them to develop new road cars. |
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Sorry for the off topic.
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I compared the qualifying times from 1988 and 2017 to what spread we had: http://www.racingsportscars.com/resu...988-06-12.html http://www.crash.net/le-mans/results...ifying-results A very similar spread What you say holds true, but it’s interesting to see we are in a similar situation lap time wise. It’s a little off topic, but I hope mildly interesting. |
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Yes, it seems it's not all that different from the Group C era. Not really surprised either, Group C races tended to be more endurance sprints. And Jacky Ickx now calls it long distance Grand Prix
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Yes, demonstrating how impressive the slower class GT cars are.
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If you chose the fastest 56, regardless of class, we'd have some LMP2 entries from teams way out of their depth, and lose half of the GTE grid. I'd rather see 4 (or 3) competitive classes.
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I agree. That definitely doesn't work unless GTEs are right on pace with the LMP2s. At that point, you could also just remove GTE-Am altogether as I don't think many will be fast enough to get an entry.
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Simple, calculate the fastest cars based on their percentage time relative to their class pole.
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Well you could do that, but that's different to what carbsmith was suggesting.
Calculating based on percentage to class pole is fine, but then you're inviting a lot of cars along that probably won't get in, who then need garage space to operate throughout the week, and the result will probably be very similar to what we have now. So you'd need to find space for temporary garages (parc fe Although a quick look at the 2017 teams, you'd probably have lost ByKolles, Eurasia, maybe the Keating Riley and IDEC Ligier. You wouldn't lose any GTE-Pro cars, and maybe not even GTE-Am either. So using that system you might increase the amount of GTE-Am cars in the race, and lose LMP1 and LMP2. I think carbsmith was going for the opposite effect. |
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