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17 Apr 2016, 17:47 (Ref:3634133) | #6902 | |
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i think their performance looks very promising for the coming races. i also think audi's no8 car stopped in the middle of the track was quite embarrassing. thankfully they compensated with a win (and a pole). but porsche seem pretty much bullet-proof, as far as reliability is concerned.
anyway, looking at how quickly and how easily both the no1 and no8 cars were taken out of the race, i feel audi and porsche have really taken a big risk with going to 2 cars only for the whole season, including le mans. in the 24h race, there's sooo much stuff that can happen to 2 cars. |
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Porsche were given the win because of a technical infringement by Audi.
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17 Apr 2016, 23:45 (Ref:3634245) | #6904 | |
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I still think Porsche have everything to dominate this season again, inclunding the great race, Le Mans. Also, Audi and Toyota have a new car, so this may be a season to learn the weakness of each car. IMO Porsche is favorite for Le Mans.
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18 Apr 2016, 05:47 (Ref:3634299) | #6906 | ||
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Looks like Audi will appeal : http://www.endurance-info.com/en/aud...-fia-decision/
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18 Apr 2016, 07:02 (Ref:3634318) | #6907 | |
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Interesting. It is a huge pity that after such a good fight Audi get DQed, but if they were indeed too low i don't know what they are going to appeal. There is no room for interpretation regarding this. It's pretty black and white.
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ESM got disqualified last year from a podium place in LMP2 for the same reason, don't forget.
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It's also pretty black and white for cars to stay with the track limitations, unless you've have a cock-up! anyone notice how often MOST cars were crossing the white line with all four wheels at copse to keep momentum up? Surely that's worth a penalty as much as this! |
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18 Apr 2016, 09:11 (Ref:3634345) | #6910 | |
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A few mm drop in ride height can have a huge impact on performance with the downforce levels these cars are running. It may be a case of AUDI not fully getting to grips with their new suspension systems - but regardless - it is black and white. There is too much to be gained by allowing a team to exceed the allowed limit, so I am sure the penalty will be tough.
Porsche are definately faster than last year, and have been working to make the 8mj hybrid system more reliable compared to last season, so I am sure it is promising for Le Mans again this year - we will see.... Silverstone has traditionally been the worst circuit for the porsche power, and it rewards the massive torque the audi engine produces. I am sure porsche will not be disappointed if the result swings their way - but you have to shake your head regarding the incident with the no.1 car |
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track limits always seems to be an issue. if someone exceeds the limit they get penalised - but if they all do it it seems the officials figure no-one is getting an advantage so they keep quiet - its very inconssistent.
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18 Apr 2016, 14:28 (Ref:3634457) | #6915 | |
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The reason why Audi has done historically so well at Silverstone is that until Porsche debuted their HD package at Nurburgring last year, only Audi had a true HD package. And silverstone is one of the most "downforce hungry" curcuits on the planet.
It has nothing to do with torque (and for the millionth time Audi's diesel engine has to use much longer gears which means that the torque that reaches the wheels is not more then with the petrol cars). |
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From what I can understand from this, the aero package used by Porsche at Silverstone was last year's aero package (slightly updated) and re-homologated. They will introduce a low DF package , a High DF package and a LM package this season.
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and the LD one is different to the LM one?
When does the rule limiting the number of aero packages come into force? Next year? |
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19 Apr 2016, 18:46 (Ref:3634933) | #6919 | ||
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No. It is enforced already. I think that because the current package is really the 2015 package, it may not count towards the three. In other words: The rule may be that you are allowed to "introduce" 3 new packages during this season. I could be wrong of course, and we may not be understanding this correctly due to the brilliant google translate.
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19 Apr 2016, 18:47 (Ref:3634934) | #6920 | ||
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This year I think!?
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19 Apr 2016, 18:53 (Ref:3634939) | #6921 | |
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3 this year and 2 next year. Hopefully they leave out turning vanes and underbody aero upgrades from that limit.
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19 Apr 2016, 20:22 (Ref:3634973) | #6923 | ||
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"The definition of bodyworks, subject to limitation of their amount per season, will be specifically homologated." So no mention of how many, and what type of tweaks (if any) are allowed to the configuration (i.e. add remove dive planes, etc.) This same vague text is called out in a DSC article from a few months ago, but goes on to elaborate that it will be three configurations in 2016 and two in 2017... http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/1...rt-1-lmp1.html I assume the limit of three for 2016 is in the regulations (technical or sporting), but I just can't find it. Maybe it's in some other document. Regardless of the provenance of the configuration used at Silverstone, I find it hard to believe that it doesn't count toward one of the three. If it didn't then Porsche could use any prior 2015 configuration PLUS three new ones for 2016? In reality bits of the 2015 configurations (such as the creative low downforce engine cover/fenders at COTA) are not legal for 2016 because some of those tricks have been outlawed. But the point stands that I doubt you can pick and choose either old 2015 configurations or new 2016 configurations. That article also gives conflicting info. That may be down to translation, or just outright accidently misleading prior to translation. It both implies the Silverstone configuration, a low downforce, a high downforce and a "LM spec" (total of four and in effect two different low downforce configurations?). But then later on treats the LM spec and low downforce as being the same because they will be testing that soon may use that configuration at Spa in addition to LM... Spa weather depending. The article also says that the Sliverstone configuration was re-homologated for 2016. Which would imply it counts toward one of the three for 2016. Overall, I suspect that the rules allow only three configurations and there is no special case for using prior year configurations. That Porsche will have (1) the Silverstone configuration, (2) a low downforce (optimized for LM) and (3) a high downforce package. The 2016 Silverstone configuration may have been a compromise package that was just based upon what they had from 2015, but tuned up for higher downforce for Silverstone? Richard |
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19 Apr 2016, 20:26 (Ref:3634974) | #6924 | ||
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Could we expect a radical bodywork for Le Mans???
Or just new front fenderĀ“s ?!?!?! |
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Around launch time I remember someone from Porsche saying they would have 3 different body/aero specs this year
a high downforce package for Silverstone and Spa, a low downforce spec for LM and a new high downforce spec for the races after June. |
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