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14 Jun 2019, 11:48 (Ref:3910095) | #6951 | |
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On Twitter, they're also deflecting blame on the live timing farce, saying it's more complicated than a technical issue.
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14 Jun 2019, 11:49 (Ref:3910096) | #6952 | |
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Every Vincent Beaumesnil public statement would be a god damn joke if he wasn't in charge of this mess :
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The ACO might have to go the GT3 route, especially if GTE needs to get pegged back. Probably easier to slow down GT3 cars than GTEs, which are now basically GT3s on steroids anyways.
I doubt that GTE (aside from getting pegged back relative to LMP2/LMP1) isn't going anywhere as long as Porsche, Ferrari and AMR are producing cars. Also, Prodrive (who run the GTE/GT3 program for AMR) isn't going anywhere it seems. It's most likely that AMR will partner with Multimatic and R Motorsport for the LMP1 program. |
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14 Jun 2019, 12:00 (Ref:3910100) | #6954 | ||
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Also, since TMG have announced their hypercar program, do we stick with the Toyota LMP1 thread for the discussion, or start a new Toyota/TMG Hypercar thread?
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14 Jun 2019, 12:11 (Ref:3910104) | #6955 | |
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14 Jun 2019, 12:18 (Ref:3910107) | #6956 | ||
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Aston says, jokingly, that they will have to detune the road Valkrye to make it fit hypercar regs. But if there is some truth to it, why the slower times in regulations?
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14 Jun 2019, 12:20 (Ref:3910108) | #6957 | ||
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ACO for whatever reason want to get the LMP1s back around 3:30. Also, LMP1s will only be allowed to make about 700-750bhp under the new regs between hybrid and engine power.
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14 Jun 2019, 12:33 (Ref:3910110) | #6958 | |
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Also, 3:30 lap times put an end to any idea of a DPi at Le Mans. Without heavy BoPing, they'd be at the 3:22ish mark.
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14 Jun 2019, 12:40 (Ref:3910111) | #6959 | ||
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To be fair, DPIs currently are much lighter than the proposed hypercars (930kg vs 1100kg). Also, DPI 2.0 seems maybe to be getting close to what hypercar is leaning towards. That depends on how much IMSA's and the ACO's goals align for a top class.
Also, do the ACO plan on ballasting up the LMP2 cars to higher than their current 930kg with the massive weight increase for LMP1? To be honest, I was expecting worse. Still skeptical about BOP and the need for laptimes to be slowed to 3:30 (though I doubt that the LMP1s will be slowed to that speed even out of the gate), but the Valkyrie and GR Super Sport do look more like LMPs to me than the current bulbous fendered monstrosities that make the LM versions of LMP1s look insanely ugly to me IMO. |
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14 Jun 2019, 12:53 (Ref:3910112) | #6960 | |
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So Ford is not interested in hypercars and is not interested in DPi unless they use high voltage hybrids. LOL
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14 Jun 2019, 13:16 (Ref:3910121) | #6962 | |
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Ford has already rejected the Hypercar regulations. So that's them out.
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14 Jun 2019, 13:27 (Ref:3910125) | #6964 | |
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Ford are ridiculous. Got a seat at the table to form the regs, proceed to get what they want (High-voltage hybrids, global market presence), nah we aren't going to commit to that. Proceed to talk up DPi, but only if they adopt high-voltage hybrids (which will surely not be a part of DPi) Just join WEC you losers.
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14 Jun 2019, 13:28 (Ref:3910126) | #6965 | ||
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#LeMans24 – Fritz Enzinger, Head of Motorsports: “Interesting news we got from the ACO today: Our engineers will look into the new regulations carefully. The FIA WEC and the Le Mans 24h will stay very attractive for manufacturers in the future.“ |
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14 Jun 2019, 13:30 (Ref:3910127) | #6966 | |
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Now where are Mclaren and Ferrari at?
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14 Jun 2019, 13:38 (Ref:3910129) | #6967 | |
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Porsche engineers are looking at the new regs? Why, they're not needed in the new world order, doesn't he mean the marketing department?
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14 Jun 2019, 13:38 (Ref:3910130) | #6968 | ||
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Yet a Porsche rep said off record in 2017 that the WEC didn't mean jack outside of LM. Then again, Porsche were spending $200 million and not getting ROI out of it aside from Le Mans.
At least these new regs have cost containment (at least without a budget cap) in mind. |
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It isn't silly for manufacturers like Ford, McLaren and Ferrari to enter the discussions but not pursue the class when announced. Being there doesn't mean you will enter - it just means you're part of the discussion.
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14 Jun 2019, 13:52 (Ref:3910147) | #6971 | ||
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ORECA want to build a hypercar for somebody
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ercar-program/ Who could be interested? Renault? Alpine? Honda? |
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Has anyone figured out how Aston Martin Lagonda Global Holdings can afford factory Hypercar, GTE, and F1 sponsorship? The company lost >$70m last year. Is Red Bull just going to buy it out?
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Plenty of successful companies loose large sums of money for a number of years in a row. It can be due to growth, investment in future programmes etc. Profits or Losses don’t always give an indication of cash flow I wouldn’t be surprised if Red Bull funding and therefore branding finds its way onto the project |
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