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Am I right in thinking that the F4 series on the BTCC package have run on at least one season with around 15 or even less cars? And isn't it one of the FIA affiliated championships?
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The second is those championships that have more than one round outside of their 'home' country. These basically means that the respective races are listed on the FIA's calendar. The main purpose of this is to ensure that the FIA are content with the regulations and that there is consistency between the championship's regulations and the FIA ones. The only UK championship that is listed on the FIA calendar is GB3 (which had two overseas rounds in '23 and will have three next year). Other examples include things such as GT World Challenge Europe, DTM, etc. Although British F4 will race at Zandvoort next year, it doesn't need to be on the FIA calendar as there will only be one round outside of the UK. For similar reasons, several club championships have races abroad but don't need to be listed on the FIA calendar. Therefore, the BTCC is not an FIA championship and, as all the rounds are in the UK, its not listed on the FIA calendar. Therefore, the FIA has no real interest in the entry levels. Quote:
When the F4 rule set was devised, the FIA established geographical areas and, in effect, stated that only one championship in each area would receive F1 superlicence points. This explains the 'certified by the FIA' bit in the British F4 championship's name as it is the series that awards such points. If the entries for a round fall below 12 cars, the number of superlicence points diminishes. However, this does not effect championship status. |
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13 Dec 2023, 10:32 (Ref:4188931) | #679 | ||
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I thought NGTC was solely a national thing. Maybe some dreamers thought it would spread but it was never likely to, although IIRC Sweden used a version of it for a brief period. |
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13 Dec 2023, 10:56 (Ref:4188932) | #680 | |
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Its not a thing. NGTC is just the term for the current design/ruleset for BTCC cars.
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For a period, NGTC cars were also classified as TCN-1 by FIA and were eligible for competitions running to 262A of Appendix J. It seems that this was dropped circa 2019. (TCR was initially TCN-2 and eligible for 262B of Appendix J competitions).
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13 Dec 2023, 12:26 (Ref:4188937) | #682 | |
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Yes, the period 2018-2020 was pretty poor - 2018 had a low of 12 and high of 14 cars, 2019 had a low of 12 and high of 15 cars, 2020 had a low of 11 and high of 15 cars. Mercifully numbers are much better now, potentially up to 24-26 cars in 2024.
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13 Dec 2023, 17:45 (Ref:4188952) | #683 | |
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If rhe grid size falls below 25 cars itv can pull the tv rights from what I've heard
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Slightly OT but on the subject of car counts wasn't there a British F3000 series in the mid 90's that actually raced with just 3-4 entries? Imagine being there
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The opening round of the '97 British F3000 championship attracted three entries. It wasn't the most entertaining of races, even allowing for a safety car period to recover some mythical debris from the track. The championship was canned shortly afterwards.
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14 Dec 2023, 19:04 (Ref:4189033) | #693 | |
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Seems like death by a thousand cuts for the BTCC.
Hybrid cost/complexity/unreliability, Team Dynamics, Ginetta, Team Hard, TCR UK, Gows stubbornness, cost of drives, difficulty getting sponsorship, expensive ticket prices. Will be interesting to see the announcements over the next couple of months. |
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I seem to recall a Formula BMW race that had about 6 entries, can’t recall if that was on the BTCC bill or another but it was a Donington Park round.
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14 Dec 2023, 19:53 (Ref:4189038) | #695 | |
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Exactly zero entries confirmed for next year so far and rumours both the BTCC drivers that won it want to return here, don’t think BTCC needs to worry about TCR UK for now!
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Edit - This must have been from 1990 from what I can see on Wikipedia - top two are Paolo Della Piane & Tony Worswick, bottom two are Pedro Chaves & Rickard Rydell (to provide a BTCC link). The missing one is Richard Dean. Last edited by Alfaholic; 14 Dec 2023 at 20:05. |
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If entries are down they play their trump card
Tcr regs. Ngtc was supposed to reduce costs and did initially, now it’s the same problem repeated. Once ngtc is deemed too expensive then tcr regs come in, that issue goes |
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I honestly think this is a consequence of being able to talk about it 365 days a year. In the past it would have been a weekly or monthly news story in a magazine or in some cases, the first meeting of a new season would be the first time anyone know of an absence. It won’t be dead for a long time and if it is you can quote me and I’ll eat my Goodyear hat. |
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2024 BTCC TBL Holders are confirmed:-
Alliance Racing 4 Excelr8 Motorsport 4 West Surrey Racing 4 Speedworks Motorsport 4 One Motorsport 3 Power Maxed Racing 3 Restart Racing 2 Aiden Moffat Racing 2 CBM Racing 1 https://www.btcc.net/2023/12/15/2024...ers-confirmed/ OK as expected no Team Hard, Bert Taylor seems to have picked a couple up and Speedworks have picked up an extra one. I am not sure who CBM Racing are. |
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Restart Racing...
As in the same Restart Racing that were racing in TCR UK for the last two years and announced a TCR Europe move for 2024? Interesting... |
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