[VASC19R25] SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000, Mount Panorama 10-13th October (WITH POLL)

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Jamolad

Admitted their instructions were bogus and pleaded guilty at earliest opportunity.

“We find, and it has been admitted, that in giving the direction to the Driver of Car #12, DJRTP infringed the principles of fairness in competition and behaved in an unsportsmanlike manner."

That is true, in that resolving the problem car 12 was experiencing, may have disadvantaged others behind them as a result.

Originally Posted by Jamolad

Besides, data likely shows the car got hotter while he was driving slow (Story himself said temp was spiking during SCs due to reduced airflow).

Cause and solution are two different things in this instance.

[HDTVKSS]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Don't forget to shut the door on your way out!!!

Certainly won’t miss you. The sport certainly needs less fans right now yeah? I’ll be contacting the sponsors as well.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Mixer

If it was a mechanical issue then what of the furphy about debris on the track and bullshit about not knowing where the crash was?

Probably more so about not revealing the true extent of a mechanical problem to all and sundry, particularly the opposition who could prey on any perceived weakness.

That is why the data from car 12 would be relevant - not sure why it isn't being shown as part of the findings.

[Jamolad]

Originally Posted by Forda

What is a car then meant to do if they do indeed have a mechanical issue, and are at the lead of a safety car-induced form-up?

They wave the cars behind them through, which has happened many times in the past and is catered for in the rules.

[simonracer]

The Stewards have no authority to impose a fine in excess of EUR250,000. Further, under Rule B7.7.2 of the Manual, the Stewards have no power to deduct more than 300 Championship Points from a Team or a Driver.

Going by this in the stewards report I'm not sure how they could have penalised them further aside from excluding them from the race or taking away team staff.

[Jamolad]

Originally Posted by Forda

That is why the data from car 12 would be relevant - not sure why it isn't being shown as part of the findings.

Because they admited it was all a crock of **** and the data likely just confirms their guilt which they freely admitted at earliest opportunity.

They admit it, they pleaded guilty - they had nothing (including 12's data) that would allow them to fight the charge.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Jamolad

They wave the cars behind them through, which has happened many times in the past and is catered for in the rules.

At that point (or further) in the race, in that position (or better), and that distance or less from the pits?

Can't think of an immediate example.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by HDTVKSS

Certainly won’t miss you. The sport certainly needs less fans right now yeah? I’ll be contacting the sponsors as well.

The numbers that went through the gate at Bathurst this year were excellent.......they came to watch the MIGHTY FORD MUSTANG!!!

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Jamolad

Because they admited it was all a crock of **** and the data likely just confirms their guilt which they freely admitted at earliest opportunity.

They admit it, they pleaded guilty - they had nothing (including 12's data) that would allow them to fight the charge.

Because just showing the data would confirm one way or the other.

It was a closed door meeting, and we don't know exactly what was said, but a deal was done.
i.e. For all we know, CAMS might have said yes you had a major overheating issue, and yes we agree slowing down to resolve it was a satisfactory solution; however people are baying for blood, we look bad, we can technically do this or worse - let's make an agreement in the interests of the sport.

[banksie]

Originally Posted by Forda

That is why the data from car 12 would be relevant - not sure why it isn't being shown as part of the findings.

Originally Posted by CAMS Stewards

Ultimately DJRTP has not presented that telemetry data but, for the reasons explained below, even were it to support DJRTP's propositions, it would not answer nor even mitigate the breach we are considering.

Stewards answered your question.

[Jamolad]

Originally Posted by Forda

At that point (or further) in the race, in that position (or better), and that distance or less from the pits?

Can't think of an immediate example.

You are the only one that still believes Fabian slowed due to mechnical dramas...even Team Penske have admitted they did not do it for that reason.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Forda

CAMS will need to amend their rules then, as a result of all this.

What is a car then meant to do if they do indeed have a mechanical issue, and are at the lead of a safety car-induced form-up?

Pull off the circuit and let the whole field go past and make your way to the pits slowly and safely, with no traffic to get in the way of...

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Pull off the circuit and let the whole field go past and make your way to the pits slowly and safely, with no traffic to get in the way of...

We all know this was an on the fly fabricated story which was sprouted before they thought there would be consequences beyond the drive through.

[Compromised]

Penske must be cheering! What a low cost way to win Bathurst!

How does Scotty keep the win? Either Penske broke the CAMS.... sorry FIA (lol) rule or they didn't. Why wouldn't teams just keep doing this in the future? Use a sacricial lamb, keep the golden boy out of trouble (even though he benefits the most)...

[275 GTB-4]

Car 12s bad sportsmanship (and also 17's complicity) could have resulted in a massive pile up on Conrod...I think the Stewards got it right...penalty OK. Should make people think twice about pulling a similar stunt in the future...

[Forda]

Will the fine be payable totally in cash, or will Dan Murphys gift cards also be acceptable?

[Jamolad]

Originally Posted by Forda

Will the fine be payable totally in cash, or will Dan Murphys gift cards also be acceptable?

You'd have to ask the safety researchers and engineers:

“It is also important to note that the money received from the fine will go directly into the Supercars’ Fines Fund, which is used exclusively for safety research and programs, as well as safety related infrastructure, such as the development of in car warning systems or the Hawkeye system, which has been successfully implemented in the Virgin Australia Supercars Championship recently."

[Sultan]

Originally Posted by Jamolad

You'd have to ask the safety researchers and engineers:

“It is also important to note that the money received from the fine will go directly into the Supercars’ Fines Fund, which is used exclusively for safety research and programs, as well as safety related infrastructure, such as the development of in car warning systems or the Hawkeye system, which has been successfully implemented in the Virgin Australia Supercars Championship recently."

As well as topping up the wine cellar to assist with future safety car callings? PMSL

But seriously, decision made, penalty accepted, let’s get on with racing..

[Jamolad]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

...Should make people think twice about pulling a similar stunt in the future...

NARRATOR: "It didn't."

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Compromised

Penske must be cheering! What a low cost way to win Bathurst!

How does Scotty keep the win? Either Penske broke the CAMS.... sorry FIA (lol) rule or they didn't. Why wouldn't teams just keep doing this in the future? Use a sacricial lamb, keep the golden boy out of trouble (even though he benefits the most)...

No, all the whinging through the year from holden teams for more parity bagged them a load of extra downforce that ruined their fuel economy.

[David Towe]

Originally Posted by Trevor

For which Coulthard was penalised, jesus christ are you on the same planet

But Trevor, you said "no offence was committed" that's why I asked my question, now you try to make out my comment made no sense. Not really a valid comment of your above.

[Jack65]

A predictably limp wristed response from a toothless organisation. Compared to the punishments dished out by Cricket Australia after sandpapergate, or by the NRL to Canterbury, Parramatta and Melbourne when they engaged in systematic and pre-meditated cheating, DJRTP got off very lightly. No wonder accepted took the medicine without complaint.

What would DJRTP's annual budget be, wouldn't be far off $10 million I would imagine, so $150k is 1.5% of its annual turnover...a drop in the ocean. Be like if one of us was up on a serious charge and the fuzz offering to settle it for a fine that equated to a couple of days pay. Would be a case of where do I sign.

Maybe instead of piddling money up the wall on rebranding itself, CAMS could buy itself a backbone?

[Trevor]

The *******s, CAMS after threatening to investigate a break of Section 4 then pull the FIA bull-**** - weak as **** CAMS

[Trevor]

this game is ****ed

[Compromised]

Originally Posted by Jack65

A predictably limp wristed response from a toothless organisation. Compared to the punishments dished out by Cricket Australia after sandpapergate, or by the NRL to Canterbury, Parramatta and Melbourne when they engaged in systematic and pre-meditated cheating, DJRTP got off very lightly. No wonder accepted took the medicine without complaint.

It's like when Melbourne Storm got done for cheating the salary cap - by CAMS logic only the accountant should be punished, not the team! Storm lost premierships, Scotty keeps Bathurst!