FIA GT FIA GT 2009 Discussion - Page 29

dxk1 · 22 Aug 2009, 14:16 (Ref:2526088)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Hmm, now see, I don't understand the reasoning here. LAA is the defending LMS GT-1 Champion who has done FFSA and FIA on occasion but is not a full season entrant in either. To me it makes sense if the program is to be contracted, for whatever reason, the LMS program is the last to see any changes.

L.P.

I would agree with you on this if LAA had any competition for the Championship in LMS. There are only two races left and they have a pretty insurmountable lead if they just finish the remaining races. They can easily just run with the GT2s tomorrow and finish second and score 8 points pretty much sealing the deal. I don't think LAA would be risking much to finish the season in FIA-GT.

DK

HORNDAWG · 22 Aug 2009, 15:19 (Ref:2526104)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

I would agree with you on this if LAA had any competition for the Championship in LMS. There are only two races left and they have a pretty insurmountable lead if they just finish the remaining races. They can easily just run with the GT2s tomorrow and finish second and score 8 points pretty much sealing the deal. I don't think LAA would be risking much to finish the season in FIA-GT.

DK

But they are an LMS team! I do seem to recall a certain team dissing the LMS for FIA very recently, and getting relegated to the "B" list for Le Mans! Ask Leconte.
Irregardless, they chose what was best for them!

L.P.

dxk1 · 22 Aug 2009, 19:55 (Ref:2526244)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

But they are an LMS team! I do seem to recall a certain team dissing the LMS for FIA very recently, and getting relegated to the "B" list for Le Mans! Ask Leconte.
Irregardless, they chose what was best for them!

L.P.

I guess I was trying to say, they could finish out the FIA-GT season without risking their status in LMS as they would certainly finish that series out as well and most likely win, guaranteeing themselves a spot at Le Mans. However, you are probably right and they just wanted to play it safe.

DK

WMUCarGuy · 23 Aug 2009, 06:41 (Ref:2526434)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

I guess I was trying to say, they could finish out the FIA-GT season without risking their status in LMS as they would certainly finish that series out as well and most likely win, guaranteeing themselves a spot at Le Mans. However, you are probably right and they just wanted to play it safe.

DK

Well should LAA win tomorrow at the Nring, I'd think that would pretty much sew up the GT1 championship for them in the LMS. Perhaps then they could put a bit more focus in other series.

AndrewF31 · 23 Aug 2009, 10:10 (Ref:2526525)

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Originally Posted by WMUCarGuy

Well should LAA win tomorrow at the Nring, I'd think that would pretty much sew up the GT1 championship for them in the LMS. Perhaps then they could put a bit more focus in other series.

I think they already have a 10 point lead, so another win or 8 points would clinch it.
As long as they finish the races, even if second they'll win.

MJ_N_09 · 23 Aug 2009, 11:39 (Ref:2526571)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

FIA-GT is imposing a 30 kg penalty on all Porsches with steel sleeves in the engine. See here: http://www.planetlemans.com/2009/08/...from-budapest/

DK

May as well give the title to AF Corsa. Gee, I wonder who's jumping for joy about this....

Subaru_WRX_STi · 23 Aug 2009, 11:47 (Ref:2526577)

yeah thats really nice, after that stuning Spa 24 Hours victory, it would be a shame if the Belgian-Dutch team can't do the remaining races, especailly now that they are leading the standing

arakis · 23 Aug 2009, 15:04 (Ref:2526671)

Ferrari, AF corse, and Bruni/Vilander are leading the points,

whats wrong with the 30 kg penally, they just removed the 30kg weight reduction they gave them in the first place,

so the field is now exacly as it should be by the rules ferrari 1145 kg smaller restrictor and tiers, porsche 1245 bigger restrictors and tires

dxk1 · 24 Aug 2009, 16:44 (Ref:2527391)

By virtue of LAA getting their car back out on the track just before the end of the 6 hour race yesterday at the Nurburgring and it being able to run one lap and cross the finish line, they scored second place points and wrapped up the LMS GT1 Championship. They now have an insurmountable 13 point lead (38 to 25 over Larbre). I'm hoping this will convince them to give the rest of the FIA-GT series a shot. It would be nice to be able to have another very fast Corvette in the field especially if you have Maasen and Biagi at the wheel.

DK

helgi · 25 Aug 2009, 17:16 (Ref:2528064)

+100kg for #4 as to compare with SRT. And almost 100 for Bartels car. It's nonsense! Only the best pilots driving the best car must win! Why is Ratel playing with weights too? They have already made a circus from WTCC,and now in search for another clowns?!

Dani Filth · 25 Aug 2009, 19:30 (Ref:2528117)

the weights in FIA GT aren't news .. it's been used for a good number of years .. and it worked quite ok

dxk1 · 25 Aug 2009, 21:00 (Ref:2528178)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

the weights in FIA GT aren't news .. it's been used for a good number of years .. and it worked quite ok

The trick in FIA-GT has always been to score some points when carrying the "success weight". Vitaphone, especially Bartels, has made a craft of it and that's why he wins every year.

DK

helgi · 26 Aug 2009, 05:12 (Ref:2528309)

But is it fair to play with 100kg? I know they used a ballast system for a long time. In fact it's rather fair. But it's fair if it has strict and clear regulations: you win - get X kg, second - Y kg and so on. Everybody should be able to calculate the weight not using Internet and only knowing results from previous race. It would be fair. But when some bureaus begin to act I call it circus. So,it appears to be,that all other drivers and cars are so bad that they can win only with 100+kg handicap? If I was them I'll take offence at it.

Dani Filth · 26 Aug 2009, 11:39 (Ref:2528487)

it's in the rules .. even AFCorse #50 has 100kilos . 50 for maximum balast in GT2 and 50 for having 2 factory drivers ..
#1 has 80kg for results + 25 which is imposed on every MC12

airbusA346 · 26 Aug 2009, 16:53 (Ref:2528698)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

it's in the rules .. even AFCorse #50 has 100kilos . 50 for maximum balast in GT2 and 50 for having 2 factory drivers ..
#1 has 80kg for results + 25 which is imposed on every MC12

Doesn't #60 have ballast too, because of Collard and Westbrook being pros?

Tom.

Dani Filth · 26 Aug 2009, 19:07 (Ref:2528758)

they do have the 50 kilos for factory drivers .. just not the 50 for results ..

dxk1 · 29 Aug 2009, 16:13 (Ref:2530522)

Looks like LAA will finish out the season after all:

http://www.planetlemans.com/2009/08/...and-aventures/

With Tomas Biagi as partner to Xavier Maasen. Good duo.

DK

rich07 · 30 Aug 2009, 01:09 (Ref:2530790)

Good news, that quite a good driver pairing, hope they come home strong in the second half of the season.

MJ_N_09 · 30 Aug 2009, 08:17 (Ref:2530875)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

Looks like LAA will finish out the season after all:

http://www.planetlemans.com/2009/08/...and-aventures/

With Tomas Biagi as partner to Xavier Maasen. Good duo.

DK

Same duo as last time out in Osler....whatever it is.

AndrewF31 · 30 Aug 2009, 12:06 (Ref:2530970)

Great news. And so far it's paying off. They're doing quite well so far in Budapest.

dxk1 · 12 Sep 2009, 14:26 (Ref:2539053)

No K+K Saleens listed in the entry list for Algarve!!

See: http://www.fiagt.com/results.php?eve...n=Entry%20List

DK

WMUCarGuy · 12 Sep 2009, 15:32 (Ref:2539079)

I'm really not a fan of Vitaphone running 3 cars. Could anyone else realistically hope to win the Championship with 1 car when they've got 3?

rich07 · 13 Sep 2009, 00:42 (Ref:2539339)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

No K+K Saleens listed in the entry list for Algarve!!

See: http://www.fiagt.com/results.php?eve...n=Entry%20List

DK

Well after what happened at Hungary maybe they pulled the pin, hopefully its just an oversight by the website and the they turn up. But they have had a pretty up and down year. And I thought after their win at Silverstone it was going to be a non Vitaphone championship year.

And as for Vitaphone running three cars, there isnt much that can be done unless the FIA hold the maximum two cars per team rule to the letter of the rule and with the team running Maseratis I dont think thats going to happen.

Jonerz · 13 Sep 2009, 12:49 (Ref:2539592)

The ALMS has a rule limiting two cars per team. Yet there were still three Shortel, e-Silicon, redlinecoffee.com GT2 Porsches last year, and three DHL Penske Porsches at the end of the year...

... but they weren't all team mates... sure they came in the same truck, and the same team engineered them, and the drivers all exchanged notes, and they talked about being teammates, but they weren't teammates!

Chris

AndrewF31 · 14 Sep 2009, 23:42 (Ref:2540856)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

The ALMS has a rule limiting two cars per team. Yet there were still three Shortel, e-Silicon, redlinecoffee.com GT2 Porsches last year, and three DHL Penske Porsches at the end of the year...

... but they weren't all team mates... sure they came in the same truck, and the same team engineered them, and the drivers all exchanged notes, and they talked about being teammates, but they weren't teammates!

Chris

It's like the Audi Sport Joest and North America 'teams' and even more crazy the Aston Martin and Peugeot variations.

There's always a loophole which organizers will certainly overlook to aid revenue and the competition.

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