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It hardly Seb's fault that he looks after the car better. This is how i know Seb is better than Hamilton. Red Bull would rather have Webber than Hamilton |
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Yes, Hamilton caused all those failures.
God, he truly is the best driver if he has that ability. |
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Oh and going by your logic Michael Schumacher is just over twice as good as Sebastian Vettel.
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Hasn't won the last 3 championships either. but he was once (just a long time ago) Last edited by peckstar; 31 Dec 2012 at 02:02. |
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He's won 7 championships. The stats speak for themselves you said. Vettel's won just 3. So Seb is officially less than half as good.
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Dont try and play word games. Stick to the facts Seb has beaten Hamilton for the last 4 years. that's a consistant beating. and i'm tipping thats about to be 5 |
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I'm clearly not being serious if you read my previous comments to peckstar, who seems to think that if Narain Karthikeyan was in a Red Bull and won, while Vettel languished in an HRT, it would be the former who'd be the better driver.
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Hamilton was fortunate in that he had lots of F1 testing prior to his F1 debut. If some of the latest newcomers to the sport aren't making as much impact on the sport, then you could definitely point to that as being a factor.
Alonso, though it pains me to say so, is by far and away the most complete driver in F1 at the moment. That Ferrari was never, at any time, the best car on the grid. Amazing performance. So my answer to the question is a resounding - NO. Not only that, but Vettel's attention to detail and ability to adapt his driving style to whatever Adrian Newey says is necessary in order to make the most of any improvements, is also simply amazing, and is an area in which his team mate clearly struggles. I'm not sure that Hamilton can come close to either one in terms of really making the difference when and where it matters. |
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Any hardened support for Webber from Australians, has more to do with the lack of success for so long, we'll embrace any potato. There is an undercurrent down here, that Webber is just plain ****. |
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Lewis's biggest weakness is bad luck, unfortunately. His teammate over the past few seasons shown what good luck can get you. Case in point - Brasil 2012. Button was praised for his brilliant tactic of staying out on slicks instead of pitting for intermediate tires. It was just by dumb luck that it worked out for him, as it could have just as well been a huge blunder and made him look like an idiot. Had it instead been Lewis making the gamble, the rain would get worse and destroy his race. |
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It was unfortunate that the safety car came out when it did. You can argue all day long about who did and did not benefit from that. In F1 you make your own luck, and it has played its part in probably every championship I can think of. Engines that blow up, gearboxes that break, pit stops that don't go very well, are all forgotten when it comes to who won what championship and when.
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Are you being serious with that comment, how would we know, sounds like you are just baiting people to get a reaction Especially because there is no evidence that your precious little Hamilton is the best driver out there Possibly Lewis scraps into P4, I prefer Button for P4 though. Button is less full of himself and the media dont kiss his butt as much. Plus Button has outscored Hamilton in the period where they have shared the same car. |
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Who cares about the guys personality, let him flaunt if he wants! I watch him on track, not his tweets or his facebook or whatever the tabloids want to show you. That goes for any driver, not just Hamilton.
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Perhaps it's worth mentioning on that note that Hamilton and Alonso are two drivers who can take a mediocre or poorly-handling car by the scruff of its neck and extract a lot from it consistently (Alonso did refer to that in the above-posted video). That doesn't get us closer to answering the question though. Although we may wonder if Vettel can do that (we saw Webber consistently quicker than Vettel in early 2012 before Red Bull got a handle on things). Last edited by Born Racer; 1 Jan 2013 at 20:00. |
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Many people in the F1 world with far more inside knowledge than you or I to form a view on this have called Alonso the best driver of 2012. I think he may be, or I think Hamilton may be (perhaps Vettel may even be). But you are saying Vettel is the best because he won the championship. If that's your criterion, fair enough. I dispute it but I defend your right to take that approach. In future, refrain from accusations of baiting or please contact a moderator by private message (including the moderator whom you are accusing of baiting) with your concerns. As for myself, moderators are selected on various criteria, including not being the kind of person to bait others on the forum. |
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those people in the world who have supposidly more inside knowledge (apparantley that means something, it may just mean they are not independant) dont rate Hamilton as Number 1 either Like i said I put Lewis no 5. If Kimi can come back after years in the wilderness and show lewis a clean pair of heels, then clearly Kimi has to rate better and now because apparantly its ok to tick people off in italics at the bottom of the page. If you feel the need to tick someone off for accusing you off baiting please contact a moderator by private message, would have been much easier if you just said sorry for baiting you |
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