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27 Jun 2016, 18:38 (Ref:3655441) | #51 | ||
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Congratulations to Willy P. on a dominating run. Pole, led nearly every lap and win. Up to 3rd now in points after missing round one.
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Absolutely. Great track of course, and that was a very convincing-looking crowd. Plus the drivers universally seem to love the place (no surprise there I guess). |
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28 Jun 2016, 03:24 (Ref:3655530) | #55 | ||
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I'm expecting the Glen to add to the ravings. And while IndyCar is suddenly adding all these great road courses to their schedule: how about bringing Laguna Seca back?! |
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28 Jun 2016, 04:00 (Ref:3655534) | #56 | ||
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28 Jun 2016, 06:13 (Ref:3655548) | #57 | |||
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Not all street races work however I think Indycar trying to break into the mainstream that is worth investigating and taking a chance on a big sports mad market like Boston. Houston is an interesting one as it ran for 8 years across 3 different attempts. I think there is still value in the event should the right promoter come along again like Lanigan/MiJack who ran a good event there. |
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28 Jun 2016, 10:02 (Ref:3655567) | #58 | ||
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Most street races don't work. They're tempting to go to because there's a ready made audience included in the deal which probably gives a false reading as to how popular Indycar really is. But costs for the city spiral and complaints mount and generally the series gets pushed out. Still I'd be disappointed if there wasn't one or two street raced in the mix.
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28 Jun 2016, 20:14 (Ref:3655665) | #59 | |||
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Earlier on in the season Roger Penske said IndyCar should be looking to the North West, so the obvious place to go for another street race I would have thought would be Vancouver, not Boston. |
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28 Jun 2016, 23:45 (Ref:3655687) | #60 | ||
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I like street races. I always thought I was one of the few that liked Baltimore. CART at San Jose with the trolley tracks made me smile. Overall, I find them enjoyable.
However, professionals racing through parking lots and hastily thrown together bumpy temp street circuits is pretty much a joke most of the time. Temp street circuits come and go, and new ones generally fail, can leave a bitter taste for locals while taking a race from a circuit that's been there since 1950, like Road America. Belle Isle, Long Beach, Exhibition Place and St Pete is more than enough to satisfy the street race appetite and there's no need to add anymore, imho, unless you consider the Cleveland airport a street race. |
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29 Jun 2016, 07:01 (Ref:3655723) | #61 | ||
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I think we should have, at max, a couple of street races and those should be on great layouts. I just loathe races on places that seems half assed and improvized that will only bring endless cautions and difficulty in battling up. |
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29 Jun 2016, 13:57 (Ref:3655763) | #62 | |
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I'm sure LS would draw a bunch more spectators than Sonoma, in a similar fashion we saw the fans flock to RA.
If the two of them on the schedule is too much, I would drop Sonoma in a heartbeat! |
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29 Jun 2016, 20:41 (Ref:3655825) | #63 | ||
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Street circuits aren't "taking away a race" from anybody. If a road course race isn't happening, it's because one or more of the pieces/parties isn't agreeable to the existing terms or conditions of a potential race. In other words, that road course race wasn't going to happen even if the street race wasn't sitting out there.
For 1984-2007, CART/ChampCar had as many, or more, races on non-permanent circuits as on permanent road courses. The ICS kept this trend going through last season, and if it was Boston rather than Watkins Glen in 2016, that would still hold true this year. So, this isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Also, if you're going to complain so much about the bumps on street circuits, don't go with a double standard by suggesting that IndyCar should run Sebring. And yes, I would prefer to have 16 different circuits on the IndyCar schedule than having two races at Belle Isle, but that would be my preference anyway, whether it was a doubleheader on a street circuit, or two visits to a given oval in a season. |
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29 Jun 2016, 21:26 (Ref:3655829) | #64 | ||
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I've moved my comments on street circuits to the future schedule thread.
Long live Indycar @Road America. |
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29 Jun 2016, 22:53 (Ref:3655832) | #65 | ||
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I'll second that last statement.
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30 Jun 2016, 11:19 (Ref:3655912) | #66 | |
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Road America is a great circuit - and IndyCar have produced a great show there last weekend. Yet, unfortunately, the circuit still seems to have some safety issues. For example, why is there no catch fencing on the wall on the left of the picture below?
Also, I'm rather certain that a SAFER barrier on the outside of The Kink would also be very much appreciated by competitors from other racing series that run cars with roofs. |
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30 Jun 2016, 11:36 (Ref:3655914) | #67 | |||
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Interesting posts in themselves, as they bring up a subject that's been discussed before but not wanting the thread to go completely off topic and also wishing to respond, I thought a thread where future races can be discussed would be the ticket, as it is something that often comes up. |
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30 Jun 2016, 14:30 (Ref:3655948) | #68 | |
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B) I don't think I've ever heard or read a complaint about it from drivers/teams. That doesn't necessarily mean it's not an issue but it doesn't seem to be a concern. However I'm sure the Kink is permanently on RA's radar. |
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30 Jun 2016, 15:20 (Ref:3655953) | #69 | ||
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Ironically, based on existing examples, it would make more sense having a SAFER barrier in front of a wall that was already closer to the track than what we see on the outside of "the Kink". Also, there is some back-and-forth between concrete barriers and armco in that section.
On the bright side, rather like the Nordschleife, there isn't much space for the momentum vector of a vehicle to change before encountering the barriers, so the chance of a steep impact angle is fairly minimal. |
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BEYOND that... the way the corner is, and the way accidents tend to happen with carry the car down the track at a VERY shallow angle, rebound is a significant concern, and it's best mitigated using the solutions currently there, and that is bare concrete. |
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30 Jun 2016, 23:17 (Ref:3656026) | #71 | |
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Thanks for the interesting replies.
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