[WTCC] FIA WTCR 2019 News & Rumours

[PawUloN]

Originally Posted by Rubio

sporting rules for 2019 may allow maximum 4 cars per manufaturer and no 3-car teams.
If that happens, Comtoyou will have to go down to 2 Audis, Munnich to 2 Hondas (maybe they will keep Scheider for the whole season)

But at the same time the article states:
"Lynk & Co did not disclose how many cars it would enter when announcing its programme, but it is thought likely it will add two more cars - sporting rules drafted for next season should allow a maximum of four cars to be entered by TCR brands but will prohibit three-car teams."
With Bjork and Muller it would suggest, that 3-car teams are disallowed, but 4-car ones are fine? So this way one team could lock out a single manufacturer's limit. What would happen to BRC then? It makes little sense for me right now.
Also the implication could mean, that there are no 1-car teams allowed (2+2 or 4 cars).

[Cinghio44]

Originally Posted by Rubio

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sporting rules for 2019 may allow maximum 4 cars per manufaturer and no 3-car teams.

If they're doing this maybe more manufacturers are coming! Probably not immediately in 2019, apart Link & Co brand, but with the growing interest in TCR this is not surprising me. Surely some new team could enter in WTCR 2019. YMR could run the other two car from Link & Co, I'm curious about who could run the other two Hyundai...

Is there any chance to see back the Lada brand afer two years of racing in Russia?

[FIRE]

Lynk & Co is the manufacturer, not the racing team. They could contract a 2nd team. Or Cyan will run two cars and YMR will run two cars.

This season teams had already to enter two cars.

Personally I like the maximum two cars rule.

[PawUloN]

By the way when I wrote "What would happen to BRC then?" - in fact I meant: "what would happen, if one team would field all 4 cars from one manufacturer, be it directly (if it's allowed) or with a "proxy" team? What with other teams wishing to run same car?"

[redshoes]

How does WTCR (and TCR in general) define what is or isn't a 'manufacturer team'?

My understanding is that direct manufacturer involvement is not allowed. For example, JAS build the cars for Honda - they can supply other teams and provide technical support but they can't run a team themselves.

Cyan are building the cars and owned by the manufacturer (or at least owned by the same parent company). So how can they run a team?

[Lanti]

Originally Posted by redshoes

How does WTCR (and TCR in general) define what is or isn't a 'manufacturer team'?

My understanding is that direct manufacturer involvement is not allowed. For example, JAS build the cars for Honda - they can supply other teams and provide technical support but they can't run a team themselves.

Cyan are building the cars and owned by the manufacturer (or at least owned by the same parent company). So how can they run a team?

They can simply do the same as Romeo Ferraris. They started a new team called Team Mulsanne, which raced the Alfas built by Romeo Ferraris. But if you went down to the pitlane of the TCR Europe you could see the same at KCMG. I don't remember seeing any Asian faces but saw a lot of familiar boys from JAS.

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by redshoes

How does WTCR (and TCR in general) define what is or isn't a 'manufacturer team'?

My understanding is that direct manufacturer involvement is not allowed. For example, JAS build the cars for Honda - they can supply other teams and provide technical support but they can't run a team themselves.

Cyan are building the cars and owned by the manufacturer (or at least owned by the same parent company). So how can they run a team?

they just use a different team as a ‘front’

[BobJones]

In which case, these rules are rubbish.

[Juntos]

Originally Posted by BobJones

In which case, these rules are rubbish.

How could you avoid it? We may brave human laws, but we cannot resist natural ones.

[Lanti]

Originally Posted by BobJones

In which case, these rules are rubbish.

I don't agree with you! If you want a series that travels around the globe you need manufacturer money. If you want a championship that has a decent level to attract sponsors, and has a strong driver lineup you simply need manufacturers.



Is it bad for small privateers? Yes. But the have to accept that this is another level.

I think there is nothing wrong with manufacturers supported teams, with works drivers. What we don't need in TCR is free development to increases budgets.

[BobJones]

Originally Posted by Lanti

I don't agree with you! If you want a series that travels around the globe you need manufacturer money. If you want a championship that has a decent level to attract sponsors, and has a strong driver lineup you simply need manufacturers.

Is it bad for small privateers? Yes. But the have to accept that this is another level.

I think there is nothing wrong with manufacturers supported teams, with works drivers. What we don't need in TCR is free development to increases budgets.

Think you missed my point.

[JMeissner]

Originally Posted by redshoes

How does WTCR (and TCR in general) define what is or isn't a 'manufacturer team'?

My understanding is that direct manufacturer involvement is not allowed. For example, JAS build the cars for Honda - they can supply other teams and provide technical support but they can't run a team themselves.

Cyan are building the cars and owned by the manufacturer (or at least owned by the same parent company). So how can they run a team?

Cyan are not building the cars and are independently owned. Geely Group Motorsport are building the cars: http://www.zgh.com/news/5230

[Lanti]

Originally Posted by JMeissner

Cyan are not building the cars and are independently owned. Geely Group Motorsport are building the cars: http://www.zgh.com/news/5230

Thank you for clarifying that, Johan. I think many of us misunderstood the first sentence in this article: https://www.touringcartimes.com/2018...otorsport-arm/

"Polestar Cyan Racing, is no more in name, with Volvo owner Zhejiang Geely Holding Group instead launching a new motorsport wing titled Geely Group Motorsport"

And mistakenly thought Geely Group Motorsport is actually Cyan Racing rebranded. But now it is clear that Christian's team is independet.

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by Lanti

Thank you for clarifying that, Johan. I think many of us misunderstood the first sentence in this article: https://www.touringcartimes.com/2018...otorsport-arm/

"Polestar Cyan Racing, is no more in name, with Volvo owner Zhejiang Geely Holding Group instead launching a new motorsport wing titled Geely Group Motorsport"

And mistakenly thought Geely Group Motorsport is actually Cyan Racing rebranded. But now it is clear that Christian's team is independet.

'Geely Group Motorsport' is just their motorsport division marketing name. They dont actually design and build the race cars in-house. Cyan Racing do all the development and building of the cars for Geely Group Motorsport as I'm sure Johan will confirm.

Same as 'Honda Motorsport Europe' dont design and build their cars. JAS do it for them.

[JMeissner]

Originally Posted by touring fan01

'Geely Group Motorsport' is just their motorsport division marketing name. They dont actually design and build the race cars in-house. Cyan Racing do all the development and building of the cars for Geely Group Motorsport as I'm sure Johan will confirm.

Same as 'Honda Motorsport Europe' dont design and build their cars. JAS do it for them.

Cyan Racing does not build the TCR cars. Geely Group Motorsport do with their subcontractors.

[billy bleach]

Shedden back to BTCC ....... could happen

[Cinghio44]

Originally Posted by Rubio

Still think 2 rounds in China for a 10-round calendar is way too much.

Especially if they keep Ningbo - the event is pointless since it has no interest (though the track is good)
Shame if they lose Wuhan, actually it was a very good circuit for action.

Sepang should be a night race, Ribeiro is a fan of those so nothing unusual.
Actually happy to see this, because the track is great and season finale may be epic

I agree with you. Wuhan is not such a loss instead, i don't like that type of track that don't produce overtakes.

Sepang is a good track although maybe the action will be a bit slow for touring cars...

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Shedden back to BTCC ....... could happen

Any more info on this side?
Because it's known that Gordon has another year with Audi and shouldn't leave

[Cinghio44]

Ceccon should continue in WTCR. He has different proposals... but he has really appreciated his time in team Mulsanne

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Cinghio44

Ceccon should continue in WTCR. He has different proposals... but he has really appreciated his time in team Mulsanne

He did very well.
Some were doubting his talent.

[Juntos]

Originally Posted by Cinghio44

Ceccon should continue in WTCR. He has different proposals... but he has really appreciated his time in team Mulsanne

Team Mulsanne or Hyundai BRC team.

[S griffin]

Ceccon has really been the discovery of the season

[Cinghio44]

Incredible Hyundai line up!! I was very wrong obviously and I have no problem to admit it

[S griffin]

What a line up for Hyundai. Proper experience there

[Matt K]

Interesting to see Farfus back in the 'typical' touring cars. I'm really curious what he'll be able to achieve next year. And also, teams running factory-supported Hyundais are not mentioned. Possibly Tarquini and Michelisz in BRC again but what about the other two?

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Interesting to see Farfus back in the 'typical' touring cars. I'm really curious what he'll be able to achieve next year. And also, teams running factory-supported Hyundais are not mentioned. Possibly Tarquini and Michelisz in BRC again but what about the other two?

Last time Farfus drove a FWD car was 2006...