[FIA GT] GT4 - The future...?

[Koenigsegg]

The only Ferrari I can see being in GT4 is the California. But even that is a long shot. There is an Corvette in GT4, though.

[GT-Eins]

First of all: briilliant ideas for a recovery of the GT4 from the SRO !
(without any irony)

And yes - there may be the chance to a GT4-ferrari. Just create a GT4-kit for the old F430 Challenge-cars. (F458 would be out of contetion as these are GT3/GTE, they are too expensive for the targeted cost-cap and would mean another factory-involvement - which would imbalance the GT4).

Whether this option is in the spirit of GT4 remains to be discussed

But back to topic: the current model for 2013 - with the trophy as "guest-races" within existing cups & GT4-series - is a clever option.
It still holds some disadvatages - especially in avoiding date clashes for potential participants - but its a feasible way where I see most win-win-options for all stakeholders of the GT4.

Currently in a discussion in our forum the theory was brought up to avoid the inclusion of GT4-classes in longer endurance races. This should be done to avoid the development of expensive "endurance-packages" which would undermine the GT4-cost-cap, as already seen at the GT3´s

Your thoughts on that?

[Pandamasque]

Where does the price cap leave the Prodrive's best-seller - V8 Vantage GT4?

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

Where does the price cap leave the Prodrive's best-seller - V8 Vantage GT4?

As far as I'm aware it's under the 130 thousand Euros price cap, so it would still be eligible.

[GT3.14]

The GT86, MX-5, probably some Ginettas of some sort, a Hyundai whatever, and...Aston Martin V8 Vantage. The balance of performance in GT4 will be absolute nonsense.

Looks like we have our first team.
http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listin..._gt4_2013.html

[GT-Eins]

Originally Posted by GT3.14

The GT86, MX-5, probably some Ginettas of some sort, a Hyundai whatever, and...Aston Martin V8 Vantage. The balance of performance in GT4 will be absolute nonsense.

....

Why do you think?

Regarding the Aston: its basic price is to my knowledge something around 130k€ but which Endurace- & Performance-kits its above that limit (160k€)
"Go back to 2010 performace" would probably mean to ban or "to BoP" that packages.

As for the Mazda: regarding to our knowledge this car is far above the price-cap - has somebody more facts?

[KA]

The price being quoted for the Mazda a while back was £150k sterling according to Autocar (or £125k plus VAT from a comment posted at the end of the article)


http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/mo...acer-confirmed

[GT3.14]

Originally Posted by GT-Eins

Why do you think?

If I am not mistaken the whole point of GT4 was to have cars that were essentially stripped out and caged versions of their road-going counterparts. That GT4 MX-5 has a turbo, Mazda never produced a turbocharged NC MX-5. A rather generous gift in my opinion. The Aston uses an engine that is extremely close if not identical in spec to the car sold in the showroom. The GT4 MX-5 has been extensively modified, not really original to the production model. That Autocar article states that the GT4 car has 320bhp, the Mazda website claims only 160bhp for the production version.

[TF110]

The Toyota's can make 300+hp no problem. And they can go very light. That's the Mazda's forte as well- very light. The Aston is a heavier car but more powerful. Don't see how they can't make them close together in terms of performance.

[NaBUru38]

It's too bad that no French or Italian manufacturers have GT4 cars.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

It's too bad that no French or Italian manufacturers have GT4 cars.

The Maserati was thought of as a potential class killer for a while, but those seem to have really fated into obscurity. Bit of a shame, those were great looking cars!

[andy97]

It still needs some manufacturers to get behind the idea and homologate cars or allow individuals/ teams to homologate cars.

[BSchneiderFan]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

It's too bad that no French or Italian manufacturers have GT4 cars.

Perhaps with the revival of Alpine...?

[RickP:Clio51]

I intend to apply to the SRO to run the 350Z with full aero kit and twin turbo conversion as offered by an obscure Japanese tuner that you (and I) have never heard of and almost certainly doesn't exist. We'll have 500bhp but we'll be able to turn it down to 250bhp for the BOP... and it'll be sub Euro 130k... but if you want one, you'll have to buy 2 and you'll have to buy the team support/spares package which is Euro 200k per year per car.

Seriously? Turbo MX5s? Cost caps that they have a history of letting people walk right through? (aka Audi with the R8) Kit cars that have no road car equivalent on the market allowed to run still? Ginetta G50 I'm talking to you...

And I'm hearing rumours they will be taking the p*ss even more on the tyres this time, so not ONLY will you pay 2 * the price of the same tyre bought at a VLN meeting BUT the Blancpain tyre rules (which have upset the teams there so much) will be brought in so you'll have to buy X sets of slicks each weekend of which you'll be allowed to carry basically none of them to run at any following rounds even if they are unused.

Tyres designed to wear out as quickly as possible (so you buy more...) that then only work on the lightest cars in the Championship?

Think we've seen all this before from the SRO... do we think anyone wanting to run a nice Maserati Cup car (Maserati being big friends of the SRO) which was/will be so expensive when launched be turned away?

Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice, shame on me.

[andy97]

I was going to post something and then I realised that i was about to say something similar to a post I made 2 years ago. I can't commnet on the tyre situation but I do agree about the daft situation whereby non production cars can be entered or existing cars turbocharged when no production road car version exists (wasn't that called "Modsports" in the UK a long time ago???!!!).

GT4 is such a great concept and should be very popular but isn't. Very odd. Great potential for customer cars to be used in national and pan european GT4 series as well as in local series such as Britcar.

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

It's too bad that no French or Italian manufacturers have GT4 cars.

Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Perhaps with the revival of Alpine...?

[GT-Eins]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

It's too bad that no French or Italian manufacturers have GT4 cars.

But they have:




The key point is: where are the manufacturers now?
In Germany, Japan, the US and GB are the main manufacturers.
These are well represented in the GT4-ranks.

As for the new Maserati : it is too elaborated and far beyond any cost cap to go as GT4. Its more in the spirit of GT3.

[GT3.14]

Found the info on our GT86...turbocharged of course.

http://www.gprmltd.com/news/item/10-...-efficient-gt4

[lms]

that peugeot thing is supposed to be a gt4 car?

[FIRE]

It's a GT4 Light car like the KTM.

Also used for a one make series.

[GT-Eins]

Originally Posted by FIRE

It's a GT4 Light car like the KTM.

Also used for a one make series.

The series ran as support-series for the LMS back in 2007 or 08. It was homologated by the SRO in 2009 as Supersport, but ran just in one race (2009 Oschersleben - Pilot Oliver Freymuth) where it won the supersport-class in one of the 2 races.

As the onemake-series is gone now as Peugeots sportscar programme more of them should give the Lotus, KTM and Donkeys a run in supersport. Don´t know where they are running now.

[J.C.]

Just looking back at the GT4 era. I'm suprise Porsche didn't make a factory race ready GT4 Porsche. They have every race car, factory made/ready above the GT4 level. Im pretty sure if Porsche did decide to made a small number of GT4 cars, they would sell like hotcakes.

[Koenigsegg]

Originally Posted by J.C.

Just looking back at the GT4 era. I'm suprise Porsche didn't make a factory race ready GT4 Porsche. They have every race car, factory made/ready above the GT4 level. Im pretty sure if Porsche did decide to made a small number of GT4 cars, they would sell like hotcakes.

There is a Porsche 911 in GT4 at the moment. Run by Team Bilderberg Porsche Eindhoven in the Dutch GT. They also offer conversion kits for Cup cars to GT4.

[andy97]

http://www.gt3.nl/gt3-nl-cars/porsche-gt4

The factory should still have offered a GT4 Cayman, though, as well.

[MitchZ06]

GT4 Boxster?