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You're right. Needs more rocker-acuated dampers and oval-section carbon fibre wishbones.
See this, on how they simply slap some stickers on a Seat Leon, and call it a TCR car: https://garagedesblogs.com/naissance-dune-tcr |
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Another article:
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27 car pileup causes 2 hour delay in Portugal:
https://www.facebook.com/15322532482...6674027014824/ Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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However, if you actually want to have that conversation, what is the purpose of motor racing? Is it's primary focus job creation and employment? I imagine there are many ways we could improve in that regards, if indeed that were the case. But of course, we both know that it isn't. |
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27 Jun 2018, 23:09 (Ref:3833385) | #57 | |
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Ex-VCA, ex-Supercars pen pusher Matt Braid confirmed as head of TCR Australia.
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Story here
Mr Boyd & Mr McMellan clearly providing the backing - wonder whether this or the "new F5000" out of the same stable will be racing first. |
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28 Jun 2018, 13:39 (Ref:3833457) | #60 | |
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Or anyone else benefitting from Wilson/Payce dowry?
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I guess that depends on the agreements that GRM and others have in place with Wilson/Payce.
When you have a key sponsor getting involved in other expensive projects it can be a cause for concern, particularly when those expensive projects feel like they may not generate much ROI for your sponsor - thus potentially becoming something of a black hole. |
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Wilson and Payce have consistently had cars in different categories and even multiple cars in Supercars, so I wouldn't be too concerned.
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My only concern is with a number of fingers in a number of pies-how big is the Wilson/Payce pot?
Was surprised to see Wilson involved with TCR-weren’t they the GRM sponsor that said if the team adopted the V6 turbo they would depart? |
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29 Jun 2018, 03:12 (Ref:3833529) | #64 | |
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No, that was Peter Adderton of Boost Mobile. He was previously a large investor in Super Touring here.
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29 Jun 2018, 09:33 (Ref:3833571) | #65 | ||
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Adcafe asked a few manufacturers:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/06/29...s-development/ Saying cars will be $200kish Honda might offer spare parts or technical support if anybody wants to jump in. Could get interesting if people could get brands on the side of the car. |
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Just out of curiosity , where are all the 17-25 year olds, on this or other forums, discussing the pro's and con's of V8 Cars.
Don't mean to be sarcastic , but Super Tourers first foray into Aust didn't bear the fruit they thought. Maybe this time it will. Have Supercars noticed there demographic age is on the other side of 45 + Demographics have changed. I enjoy watching the BTC and DTM ,and TCR , by any means of media, and yes I am well past the 45 + , two cars running that even built anymore. just putting it out there |
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29 Jun 2018, 12:27 (Ref:3833590) | #67 | |
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Hard to compare it with ST, they're on two different wavelengths in my opinion. Some similarities, sure. But only some.
I think interest in motorsport by milennials isn't near what it was in previous generations. When I was a kid, most of my peers were somewhat aware of motorsport, whether it was F1, touring cars, etc. They may not have been as into it as I was, but they knew some names, and what they drove. Ask kids these days that are of similar age as those back then, and they haven't the foggiest in most cases. Even my own brood offers very little interest, and they've had a fair bit of expsoure to it from virtually day one. |
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My son has raced since he was 8 and now 30 and he never watches or follows motor sport at all. Ask him to watch a Super Car race and he will tell you it is like watching paint dry very slowly.
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Adcafe "TCR Explained"
https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/07/01...orm-explained/ Puff piece. Supposedly 14 "bespoke" cars, well if you don't count the VAG triplets and the Hyundai/Kia twins. 9 cars doesn't have the same ring to it. Quote:
The VAG cars and Hyundai/Kia are a genuine factory effort. From the early running the Hyundai looks very competitive. Peugeot also is a full factory effort and the car looks good. Honda's car looks good but again doesn't seem to have direct manufacturer involvement. The Alfa isn't a real factory car but seems to have some pace despite only having a 1.8l engine The Renault and particularly Subaru efforts are "authorised" by manufacturer only, with no money or direct involvement, the Subaru actually seems a bit hopeless and the Renault seems to only appear in videogames... Seat, Opel and Lada don't sell cars in Australia at all, Kia don't sell the model they race in TCR in Australia. The Focus TCR isn't homologated, whoever did their research for the article didn't really do a good job. Do we really want a Golf vs i30 series? Last edited by Mixer; 1 Jul 2018 at 09:18. |
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Holden sells the Opel as, you're gonna love this; an Astra hatch.
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Officially homologated cars are here: http://www.tcr-series.com/inside-tcr/homologated-cars Can't edit my post above. The Astra would seem to be a pukka OPC effort so we could see it I guess with Holden badges but I can't see a dollar coming from Holden to support it. The Honda looks very well made and the team pedigree is most excellent. Honda might be the most likely after VW and Hyundai to put some money out there to fly the flag. Last edited by Mixer; 1 Jul 2018 at 09:52. |
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They're customer cars first and foremost. The entire ethos of the ruleset is to not rely on manufacturer support. Sure, national arms of manufacturers kick the tin in some cases though.
You want Astra TCR parts, you order from Kissling Motorsport in Germany, not OPC. Opel are not directly involved. Opel Switzerland kicks the tin to a limited extent for Ms Preisig, due to family dealership connections, but that's about it. Honda; J.A.S., Renault; Vukovic, Lada; Lubner, the Alfa; Romeo Ferraris, and so on. Hyundai, Peugeot and VAG are kind of different, in that their motorsport divisions are involved. But, nothing stopping someone from setting up perhaps as an Asia-Pacific agent (given the strength of the various TCR series in the Asian regions, they probably already exist), just as MPC have done for Audisport, and now Cupra Motorsport for the TCR thing. Hell, plenty of GT3 and 4 cars running around in Aus with no locally-based customer support. You want parts for your GT3 Gallardo or Camaro? You're ringing Reiter in Germany. These constructors are geared up to support the owners of these cars, similar to how Triple Eight operates here. |
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I know all of that, but the fact remains that a bunch of these so-called "manufacturer" cars (Speedcafe's words not mine) are far from, and many of them are complete jokes that no manufacturer here would put their name to it.
Clearly TCR's corporate benefactors are paying the bills; I would appreciate Speedcafe being a bit more balanced, and at least stating facts. The teams like JAS have a serious ongoing relationship and are like factory teams, but so many others are privateer efforts that are hopelessly uncompetitive, like the Subaru. |
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It's a fluff piece on Adcafe.
The same website that posts historical innaccuracies, quotes taken from the TV coverage, and plagurises press releases on a weekly basis. |
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